Thread: Please define McJKD
1/23/2005 1:39am, #31Originally Posted by Kickbox
The tone of Paula Inosanto didn't seem bitchy or irrational, and at it appears at least a few of the things she presented are facts, but it is certainly only her side of the story. Her appearance shouldn't have much to do with her mindset. If looks are that important to you, how can you trust Lamar Davis? He's not exactly a pardigm of proper masculine dress, speach, or physique...
1/23/2005 2:17am, #32Originally Posted by Kickbox
This is what I, Thaiboxerken and pretty much everyone else here has been trying to hammer into your skull for the last month, after you called everything else that's NOT your idea of JKD a fraud.
Quit trying to take the fucking moral highground, bitch."Onward we stagger, and if the tanks come, may God help the tanks." - Col. William O. Darby
1/23/2005 4:40am, #33
Originally Posted by Phoenix
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The Paula Inosanto letter from 1993 discrediting all non-Inosanto affiiliated martial artists should be perceived as nothing more than just an angry rant, just as anyone does when feeling threatened or frustrated. Inosanto is NOT the end-all of JKD or Jun Fan. There are many qualified non-Inosanto practitioners who have the skill and ability, just as Kickbox mentioned. Check out the Wed Night Guys some time; though they are pretty good, they will do things that you won't see Inosanto guys do at times. And, despite the contrast to Inosanto's aversion to fighting, these guys will get out the gloves and start duking it out in a class halfway through. Oh my gosh, I went to one of their sessions and after doing a bunch of JKD/Jun Fan drills, we put on the gloves and had four guys attack one guy at the same time. This was no wimpy point-sparring, either. They were all trying to knock his head off at the same time. Oh man, at one point in a 1-on-1 match, the other guy got hit and started getting dizzy, then he regained his sense s and went again and got hit just like that again and had to quit. This is just a typical day for these guys.
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From what I've read of Bruce Lee, he had a big ego (perhaps deservedly - he certainly had cleaner technique then me :), and setting arbitrary limits on how big someone's class could be or what size of school they could have, that sounds like him.
On this note, the ego of Bruce Lee is very true. I talked to a few who knew him growing up in Hong Kong. I even talked to this guy who said he had to kick Bruce out of his kung fu class because Bruce was too hot-headed. He told me Bruce was his friend, but the guy's ego got the best of him at times. Bruce was known for trying to look the best and be the best at what he did, which carried on into why he probably got into fights and felt that he had to keep control of things. A wounded ego for a personality so big is like getting maimed for these types of people. Bruce was just too hot-headed to have the proper discipline for formal martial arts classes, which is probably why he ventured on his own.
1/23/2005 5:28am, #34Oh man, at one point in a 1-on-1 match, the other guy got hit and started getting dizzy, then he regained his sense s and went again and got hit just like that again and had to quit. This is just a typical day for these guys.Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
1/23/2005 9:51am, #35
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I am going to respond to you because you seem more interested in fact than others. I have seen Paula and she's a chunker, but I don'r care what she looks like. The tone of Paula Inosanto's letter was set by the fact that she felt threatned by Jerry Poteet for landing the "Dragon" Story of Bruce Lee movie: Dr.Beasley for promoting the first "Original JKD Camp" with Ted Wong /Taky Kimura: Lamar Davis and Gary Dill for agreeing that Bruce Lee's JKD was different from the JKD Concept taught by Dan Inosanto in a 1993 article for Inside Karate magazine called "The return of original JKD". The letter was to tell the editor of IK that she was mad at them for prenting a different side. Now some act like she just wrote it.
What is total 100% BULLSHITO is first Michael Krivka the taichifeely pervert for conviently deleting the year "1993" from the Pissedoff Paula letter on his web site and for idiots like, well you know, for pointing to Paula as fact. Every time someone mentions Jerry Poteet ( www.JerryPoteet.com) or Lamar Davis pufffff the 1993 Paula letter appears. That my friends is Bullshido. Somebody has to tell the other side, just to keep it honest.
1/23/2005 10:20am, #36
Well, I'd say that's only true if the letter is chock full of lies. What in the letter do you maintain isn't true?
(Keep in mind, I give not a **** about JKD politics - I'm just trying to work through this methodically)
I do have a lot more respect for some of the others you mention then Lamar Davis...for some reason, I just don't buy his writing as much - probably because of the stances in the photos I remember . . . (I think I might actually have that selfsame inside kung-fu issue someplace)
1/23/2005 11:45am, #37Originally Posted by Kickbox
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BTW... for the record, I'm not a JDK student. From my limited understanding of it, I tend to ideologically align with the Concepts camp. However, I've worked with people outside of it and have no issues with most of them... though I do seem to be developing one with you.
1/23/2005 11:48am, #38
BTW, I should also mention that on the forum that you pointed to Poteet isn't treated too well by most of the online community on the board you pointed me to as well. I had honestly never heard about him before I went there and he seems to get a pretty mixed reaction as well.
1/23/2005 11:51am, #39
BTW, Why is there this stange notion that somehow someone can support one interpretation of JKD and NOT be able to respect practitioners from other branches?
1/23/2005 12:00pm, #40
The BLF/ Nucleus people think that their "interpretation' of JKD is the only true one.
The Inosanto group consists of people that respect the different interpretations and encourage it. JKD concepts is about evolving the art and keeping it dynamic. We learn what the Nucleus guys do, and much more. In essense, we learn Jun Fan and more, while the BLF guys just learn Jun Fan."Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire.