1/20/2005 8:15pm, #11Originally Posted by Deadpan Scientist
1/20/2005 8:18pm, #12
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I was told to hold for an additional ten seconds on the rear-nakid choke after you feel their body go limp, to make sure that they are really knocked out and not just faking. Is that a safe thing to do?
1/20/2005 8:20pm, #13Originally Posted by antonanton
1/20/2005 8:23pm, #14
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Since I've never been choked out befoe JJ? Judo guys do it on the reg is there any reisdual negative effects?
Take that back got choked out once carotid as a joke , by a friend, wasn't cool but I couldn'd whoop his ass back then"Its not important to be strong, its just important not to be weak."
1/20/2005 8:53pm, #15
There are no bad effects from strangles (blood chokes). There has also never been a recorded event of a Judo practitioner dying from a choke, although a few have died from being thrown on their heads.
If a person is drunk and they've been fighting, it can sometimes only take a couple of seconds to choke them unconscious. If the person is sitting there relaxed and hasn't been doing physical exercise (i.e. not in oxygen-debt) then it can take 9 seconds.
1/20/2005 9:51pm, #16Originally Posted by antman
Originally Posted by antman
I've been in some pretty tight chokes done by brown belts so I have a bit more of an escape window against blue belts now since they aren't as quick to go "on". It's a small difference but it helped me escape once or twice.
I've also gone completely out once. I'm not sure how long I was gone but I came to on my own and was fully functional in a short time. I have not noticed a marked decrease in metal ability or anything.
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1/20/2005 10:00pm, #17
Plus, people have seen too many movies where the sentry dies from a RNC, so if they can't breathe then they will think they are going to die and fight a lot harder.
1/20/2005 10:28pm, #18
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Been choked once or twice (or seven or eight) times...
Blood chokes come in fast and hard. One second your fine, next second, everything is fuzzy and your looking up while people are asking if you are OK. Your head buzzes faintly for a few minutes after and then you are good to go.
Wind Chokes are horrific and slow. You know you are being choked out but don't want to tap. You think you can hold out for 5 more seconds, but you can't. You wake up coughing and choking (possibly puking) and have a splitting headache for the rest of the day. If you are at a tournament, your fucked because you will still be fucked up from the choke.
Hope that helps you.And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
1/20/2005 10:30pm, #19
I've been told that in a fraction of people the blood choke can be dangerous because their carotids do not open up again after being collapsed but I don't know if this is a verifiable fact or not. I know that I tap quicker to air chokes because they're a lot more painful. On the street and in the dojo, I'll probably go with the blood choke most of the time because they're easier and faster and tighter. And I don't know if I'm more retarded than before I started judo because I get choked on a regular basis, but I've never been choked out."Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln
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1/21/2005 12:51am, #20
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One of the articles on BJJ.org has the results of a study where they choked out Judoka and measured the brain wave patterns afterwards. No change, even after one guy got choked out multiple times.sudo make me a sandwich!