1/20/2005 12:39am, #11
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I'm not sure about applying it, but I know it feels a lot tighter when the guy crosses my arm.sudo make me a sandwich!
1/20/2005 3:41am, #12
If you're using proper mechanics aka getting your body perpendicular, then you shouldn't have to cross the arm.
1/20/2005 9:43pm, #13
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the first 3 triangles i got on people they didnt tap and i started to notice that some of the triangles that finished quick the guy crosses the arm real hard even pulling it iwth both hads. well i thought this seemed to finish a triangle quicker than pulling down on the head, which i think takes more energy.
well after i started doing this(crossing the arm) i got the tapp the next two times i tried in spaaring. even made one dude drolled on my gi.
i personaly feel the triangle is the most satisfying sub.
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Originally posted by Ralek
My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
1/21/2005 8:27am, #14
1/21/2005 8:28am, #15
1/21/2005 8:56pm, #16
"If you're using proper mechanics aka getting your body perpendicular, then you shouldn't have to cross the arm."
But whats to stop him from using the arm on your hip pushing it under him so you can't get perpendicular?
As a last resort I will reach my trapped arm under him and grab my own opposite leg and kick it back.this prevents him from getting perpendicular.However it takes my own arm out of play allowing him to pull my head down.
1/22/2005 3:18am, #17Originally Posted by Strong Machine
1/22/2005 11:24pm, #18
Sometimes.But certain moves for certain people.
Getting perpendicular without getting the arm across is in itself tricky if the guy is shouldery.
Do *I* have to get his arm across if I'm perpendicular ?
Only if he is good.
1/23/2005 4:50pm, #19
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I'll throw in my two cents here. The reason the triangle is taught with pulling the arm across by people like Rigan etc. is that it is the technically correct way to do the technique. Do we all do our techniques 100% correct every time? No, and many times they still work. I'm guiltier of that than most but the principle behind BJJ is that you can use technique and leverage against an opponent of any size or strength. (We all know this isn't necessarily true). How many techniques have you learned where the instructor says something to the effect of, ďthis is how the technique is done but if you donít get this part it will still work against most peopleĒ? I hear that all the time and itís true that it still works but does it work against the skilled opponent or the big strong athletic opponent? Maybe, but it may also take a hell of a lot longer to pull off and can use up energy.
Originally Posted by deus ex machina
The point Iím making is that you can use a lot of techniques without getting all the details correct or not even knowing all the fine details. This really helps when youíre strong, your opponent is new and panics or you have characteristics that help such as long legs or bony wrists etc. But itís not going to work for everybody. Iíve had the good fortune to train with numerous instructors and itís very interesting how different people can take the same technique and show you something you never noticed before that suddenly makes it click or work 10 times better than it previously did. If you donít need the arm when you do a triangle thatís fine. But better for these guys to teach it in their books and videos that way for those of us who do need it then to leave it out.
Just out of curiosity dues ex machina, how often do you grapple guys who outweigh you by over 100 lbs. and who are very skilled? (purples, browns and blacksÖ and Iím not talking fat guys either but 100 lbs. of muscle) Next question, can you tap these guys in the triangle without using the arm?
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To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;
Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without spilling your Guinness.
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1/23/2005 7:36pm, #20
I guess while were mentioning how you do not need to get his arm across I may as well throw out that you can get the tap even with not only getting the arm across, and not only not getting your head out, but by getting it out to the wrong side.I've done it many times.
You can get the tap by not figure fouring but by crossing your ankles instead.
You can also get the tap if you dont have one of his arms through but rather you have NONE of his arms through, or even BOTH of his arms through.
There are real techniques there and they really work.But do they work vs equally skilled and athletic competition? Rarely.Which is my point.