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    I don't know much about Krav Maga. I do know that the Israeli soldiers train in it, as do several american police forces. I saw some short video clips of it, and it looks pretty good. Not very fance, but effective. I suspect it is not taught in very many places, so that may not be an option. I am also not saying that that is "the best", only something you should consider.

    I can't think of a specific style, but I can think of some things I believe it should have. I believe it should teach striking, escapes from common holds, practical weapon defense (knives, sticks, etc), clinching (standing - a game unto itself), and ground fighting / grappling. I think you'll want to stay on your feet if you can on the street (better vs multiple attackers, his buddy, rocky surfaces / broken glass, etc). Part of the key to that is to be able to fight while in the clinch. Then, be ready and able to fight if it does go to the ground.

    Vale Tudo might be pretty close to what you're looking for. It doesn't teach weapon defense (that I know of), but I think it covers most of the other bases.

    What do the rest of you think about Vale Tudo?



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    How many times has this topic been made?

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    Krav Maga sucks!! It is a watered down version of sloppy knees and elbows. It is like to poor mans JKD.

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    Personally, I think that the best school to prepare yourself for the street is Thunder Ranch or LFI. But that's probably not an option if you live in Kalifornia. By the way, those are places to learn combat firing. I feel that martial arts is the second handiest thing next to a well made firearm.

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    From everything I've read from its practitioners, Krav Maga seems like a watered-down MMA with emphasis upon 'deadly tactics' including eye gouges, nut shots, biting, etc, with some weapon disarms and training, in addition to some awareness stuff.

    On paper it sounds good, but in practice it's designed to appeal to the TKD crowd. Don't take my word for it, go over to their boards at www.kravmaga.com and see what they say.

    I don't know too much about the stand-up, but the ground work they described was ****. As in, the 'What the **** do they think they're doing' kind of ****. The official KM closed guard pass is to attack the groin. From closed guard, the guy on bottom has a better chance of attacking your groin than you do of attacking his, by reaching under his legs and ass and grabbing. The unofficial stuff, like reaching back for a twisting ankle lock, was worse. Can you say Kimura?

    Considering that the head instructor supposedly trains BJJ, and supposedly challenged Rigan and John Machado to Vale Tudo in about '96 and got his ass kicked but good, this is very interesting.

    If you really want to learn something for the street, try boxing or Muay Thai if you want striking, BJJ if you want groundwork. Train in a style that specialises in it's chosen area of combat rather than the Jack of All Trades and A Master of None that Krav Maga seems to be.

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    If you're looking to train in one system only then >>> Submission Fighting <<< (also know as "Shootfighting", "Vale Tudo", "Pancrase" or "Mixed Martial Arts" which are all practically the same thing if not the same thing.)

    [ Oh, and as "Asia" is here "BAJI!" too ;) :P. ]

    You could also train in a striking art i.e. Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai etc. and at the same time/seperately train in a grappling system i.e. Submission Wrestling/shootwrestling, Judo, Sambo or BJJ. You could also do Submission Fighting at the same time..



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    Fingerormoon beat me to it.

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    At least mine were fairly original.

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