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  1. chiun is offline

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    Question about BJJ & self defense

    I do not mean this as flame-bait in any way, shape or form.

    I have been training in BJJ for just over a year and while it has proven itself in one on one competitions (i.e. UFC, others), I'm wondering how it deals with some real life situations I've encountered. Namely, weapons and multiple opponents. Maybe I just haven't learned those techniques yet.

    Specifically,
    1) how do you deal with multiple opponents? I've never seen or been in a bar fight where the other guy didn't have friends with him. Then again, I always had guys with me too. If you have to work into a submission, how do you protect against even one other guy?

    and
    2) If your attacker has a knife or gun, how do we grapplers deal with that? If a striking attack doesn't disarm the opponent, I just don't feel comfortable rolling around with a guy still holding a knife or gun.

    Any insights are appreciated.
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    Where do you train?
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    1) Leave the bar. If you are unable to leave, get a take down on the guy, then leave.

    2) Leave, if you cannot leave throw your wallet over the guys head, then leave.
    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
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    Common sense will always be better than any martial art or technique.
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    Well, since you train BJJ the only thing you're allowed to do when confronted by a hostile situation is to pull guard on the nearest guy and go for a triangle. So I guess that's what you'll have to do.
    I pointed at him [the panhandler], bringing my rear hand up in a subtle approximation of the double Wu Sau guard that is the default hand position in Wing Chun Kung Fu.

    "Step away," I hissed.
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    DO NOT USE COMMON SENSE. Unless your master told you to. Then it's ok.
    I pointed at him [the panhandler], bringing my rear hand up in a subtle approximation of the double Wu Sau guard that is the default hand position in Wing Chun Kung Fu.

    "Step away," I hissed.
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    I've also "grappled" with this problem for quite some time.

    Basically it comes down to balance and knowledge.

    You definitely need the striking to deal with weapons and gangs. What are you going to do, choke a gun? LOL

    So if you need to defend yourself on a soft surface (like hay) against one opponent, fine....I mean, it's best to be ready for everying. In fact, bjj would be great for people living in rural areas. Lots of grassy areas and lone highwaymen.

    But if you find yourself in a real situation in the city, you obviously need to learn how to deal with multiple opponents and weapons. The best thing to do is train in the arts which teach how to do that.
    Last edited by Nid; 1/18/2005 10:35am at .
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  9. KhorneliusPraxx

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    I am by no means an expert at this ****. I am just throwing out the first thing that comes to mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiun
    How do you deal with multiple opponents?
    You don't. Get the **** out of there, if you can't, grab something to swing or punch your way out but don't fucking go to the ground. Use foot work to limit the number of people you have to deal with. (e.g. lining them up so that one opponent is inbetween you and other opponents.)

    Quote Originally Posted by chiun
    I've never seen or been in a bar fight where the other guy didn't have friends with him. Then again, I always had guys with me too.
    I numbers are equal I guess you can go to the ground but your friends better have your back. If you don't have much faith in them then see above.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiun
    If you have to work into a submission, how do you protect against even one other guy?
    You don't, see above.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiun
    If your attacker has a knife or gun, how do we grapplers deal with that?
    You don't, again, get the **** out of there. If you can't, and they have a hand weapon, I guess you would have to focus %100 percent on the arm and hand that has the weapon on it. Prepare to take many blows from the remaining limbs but what ever you do, don't let up on the weapon arm until they are disarmed. If they have a gun, and they have you cornered, I don't think they would get close enough for you to grapple. Pray for mercy because your dead. I guess if they were brain dead and did let you fight back the same would apply. While your focused on the arm, keeping the gun pointed away from you, DUH!, you might want to assist his trigger finger and unload the fucker. Once empty, break every fucking bone and joint you can.

    If this kind of **** is something that you are actually concerned with,
    A) Hang out at nicer places.
    -and-
    B) When ever you go anywhere, take a few seconds to study the layout and devise and escape route, just in case.


    MAY NONE OF US EVER BE FACED WITH SUCH A SITUATION.
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    Posted On:
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    Even those that train styles based on weapons and multiples will tell you that the best option is that espoused by Master Snagglepuss:

    "Heavens to Mergatroid!!! Exit stage left!!"

    Seriously, I spend at least 5 hours a week training a weapon based art and another 5 hours training an art that assumes multiples and I would run like hell at the first opportunity.
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    I would so do Buttsecks.
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