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    Osiris of course! and in free-training with such locks one recognises that if it were performed explosivly something would break. There is no "ninjas with uzi's" bullshit in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Machine
    I'll answer my own question.
    "Locks" are what those of us that spar do.
    "Breaks" is what locks that do not work vs resisting opponants are called in bullshido schools so as to explain why these locks are not seen in SPORT competitions.They are too deadly and best left to the street.

    I have never once told a student he could not do these "breaks".
    I don't need to.Because they are bullshit.
    I used to hate training "those damn locks" because of all the class time spent on something we weren't allowed to do at speed. And, with all the warnings, and gradual application of pressure, it involved my mind with the technical issues of how they worked, but never the rest of me, because I always wished we'd spend the time learning things we could do while training.

    Well, today I really appreciate all the time spent learning "those damn locks!"

    I've broken arms, wrists, popped elbows and shoulders, and even hips with them.
    Mostly in situatoins where I/we are outnumbered, and/or weapon related defense is necessary. The sound made by these breaks, and dislocations is sickening, and unique. . .but, they do work.

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    of course they bloody do god

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Machine
    I'll answer my own question.
    "Locks" are what those of us that spar do.
    "Breaks" is what locks that do not work vs resisting opponants are called in bullshido schools so as to explain why these locks are not seen in SPORT competitions.They are too deadly and best left to the street.

    I have never once told a student he could not do these "breaks".
    I don't need to.Because they are bullshit.
    You do realize that joint locks (stand up) are actually banned in SPORT competitions.
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    I should have been more specific. Such as karate, TKD, and a few other sports. (Mind you I'm not refering to joint locks on the ground. With joint locking on the ground theres alot more control that can be exerted. Although injuries do happen occasionaly.)

    (Theres also a list of rules from the UFC that goes into the techniques thats not allowed. If my memory serves me right small finger joint locks arnt allowed. I dont remember about other stand up joint locks though???)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Machine
    I'll answer my own question.
    "Locks" are what those of us that spar do.
    "Breaks" is what locks that do not work vs resisting opponants are called in bullshido schools so as to explain why these locks are not seen in SPORT competitions.They are too deadly and best left to the street.

    I have never once told a student he could not do these "breaks".
    I don't need to.Because they are bullshit.

    No, locks and breaks are the same moves it comes down to one thing INTENT, if you want to control you lock if you want the issue done with you break. If a lock/break works sparring use it in a fight and do not stop when the guy admits it hurts.
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    Well, how do you know a break will work if you put everything into it, unless you spar with it full power?
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    If you make them tapout before it is fully applied as in lock safe bet that when fully applied with intent to break it the damage will be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy
    Many joint locks can become joint breaks; it basically depends on the amount of speed and forced used.
    (The exception though aikido locks (most) as they resist against muscles more than the joint itself.)
    I've not yet experienced any aikido locks that don't apply to the joint. Do you have any examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempocos
    If you make them tapout before it is fully applied as in lock safe bet that when fully applied with intent to break it the damage will be there.
    You can't do that with a variety of standing locks (the only type I know). If the lock isn't applied then people can easily slip out. It has to be applied full force to work, if it will work. There is no opportunity to tap.

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