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  1. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rharbers
    If you have Kaith Rustaz on your side, you're alright with me. Good luck in you next fight.
    He's not Kaith, btw.

    http://bullshido.net/forums/showpost...5&postcount=44
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acekicken
    Well I have Nothing More to Say.
    Last Night I got real Ticked off

    I lost My Cool Today I F**K it Let Time Prove it.

    Im out I have a Fight to Train For
    Good luck. Those point sparring competitions can be brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
    I know he's not Kaith, and he knows he's being watched.
    True civilization lies in the dominance of self and not in the dominance of other men.

    Luther Standing Bear
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rharbers
    I know he's not Kaith, and he knows he's being watched.
    All right then :thumbsup:
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    So let me get this straight:

    1.) Acekicken has trouble with typing english, and has let Koto get under his skin.

    2.) We have proof of SOME of his credentials. Others have no INTERNET proof. Did Koto contact any of these organizations for confirmation/denial? I ask because a lot of MA organizations don't really update their sites/post their results on the internet. Mine, for example. Doesn't make them any less valid.

    3.) He won a JJ championship in Kumite. I read the passage Koto referenced and it seems to me the whole description was for the "Duo" portion of the tournament. Am I wrong? I think the 'point sparring' comparison is limited to this division. Ace repeatedly said that subs and strikes were allowed in Kumite, but he never said if it was full contact or not.

    Am I missing something else? I don't know either of these guys at all, but if we are going to accuse Ace of bullshido, I'd like proof of a lie rather than the absence of confirmation of the truth. Or am I the only one who thinks this? If you look at the investigation this site did on Ashida Kim, or Frank Dux, or even the articles on the Aikido guy from the UK (name escapes me), there was a lot more thorogh job done on investigating claimed credentials. In each case, there was PROOF there were lies.

    Do we have any confirmation that he LIED about any of is titles? If he did, WHO is the real titleholder?

    Just some questions in my mind. I'd be happy if Koto or someone else could help me answer them before I start blasting Acekicken.
  6. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feryk
    Am I missing something else? I don't know either of these guys at all, but if we are going to accuse Ace of bullshido, I'd like proof of a lie rather than the absence of confirmation of the truth. Or am I the only one who thinks this? If you look at the investigation this site did on Ashida Kim, or Frank Dux, or even the articles on the Aikido guy from the UK (name escapes me), there was a lot more thorogh job done on investigating claimed credentials. In each case, there was PROOF there were lies.
    I've sent off a lot of the emails already two days ago, no responses yet. The fact that many of his so-called championships and some of his training centers aren't even legit organizations and/or cannot be found anywhere leads most of us to believe he's full of it. For example, he claims to learn under Denz Dungeon Submission Fighting, but as I already had shown, the only hit for that comes out as Etapout.com, that online MMA game. It'd at least have some mention somewhere if it was a legit organization. Even the tiny boxing gym I used to go to is all over the Internet.
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    About the Denz Dungeon thing... there is a Kevin Denz, specialist in Koshiki JJ who competed at Rage in the Cage. Sherdog lists him as 0-3. Could this guy have his own gym? If you had that record would you be putting it on the internet? I wouldn't, but the guy has the right style to be affiliated with Ace.

    I'll see if I can find anything more.
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feryk
    About the Denz Dungeon thing... there is a Kevin Denz, specialist in Koshiki JJ who competed at Rage in the Cage. Sherdog lists him as 0-3. Could this guy have his own gym? If you had that record would you be putting it on the internet? I wouldn't, but the guy has the right style to be affiliated with Ace.

    I'll see if I can find anything more.
    Those all took place in Phoenix, AZ and not near the NY area. True, he could live in NY but there's no hits of anything even close to denz dungeon. If you yahoo "Denz Dungeon", this is what you get:

    http://www.etapout.com/pub_fighter.php?fname=Jeff+Denz

    He also says it was Denz Dungeon Submission Fighting, and SF is a bit different from Koshiki JJ.
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    Heh

    I know Primo (No this is not primo and it should be obvious by the fact I _can_ spell).. and I'm not going to sit here and attempt to find links none of you can find, I'll assume when you get your emails back enough confirmation will occur this thread may actually stop, although I do enjoy a good bit of primo bashing... :)

    Denz's Dungeon is run by one Jeff Denz, And he really doesn't do much in terms of putting himself on the internet and whatnot. I dont know what kind of "proof" you want to see that Jeff does exsist, but I have a pic of him when he trained with Renzo...

    Yes I know that image could be of anyone, yes I am aware its not a ton of proof, I dont truly feel the need to spend 20 pages trying to prove without a shadow of a doubt he exsists.

    Oh and Primo, I know you hate the sound of it but using microsoft word before you post your messages would help so much it really hurts everyone else...

    :wrestlerc <-- had to be done
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    Posted On:
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    godd...the left guy is ugly..so is the right one by the way..
    I'm happy i always tape my competition and we always have someone taking photo's of the winners for our website,i would hate to be called a lyer about my fighting reputation...

    By the way,he should atleast have some pic's,let him post them,if he wants to prove his realness offcourse..
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