1/17/2005 3:56pm, #91Originally Posted by rharbers
1/17/2005 3:58pm, #92Originally Posted by Acekicken
1/17/2005 4:00pm, #93Originally Posted by Koto_RyuTrue civilization lies in the dominance of self and not in the dominance of other men.
Luther Standing Bear
1/17/2005 4:01pm, #94Originally Posted by rharbers
1/17/2005 5:37pm, #95
So let me get this straight:
1.) Acekicken has trouble with typing english, and has let Koto get under his skin.
2.) We have proof of SOME of his credentials. Others have no INTERNET proof. Did Koto contact any of these organizations for confirmation/denial? I ask because a lot of MA organizations don't really update their sites/post their results on the internet. Mine, for example. Doesn't make them any less valid.
3.) He won a JJ championship in Kumite. I read the passage Koto referenced and it seems to me the whole description was for the "Duo" portion of the tournament. Am I wrong? I think the 'point sparring' comparison is limited to this division. Ace repeatedly said that subs and strikes were allowed in Kumite, but he never said if it was full contact or not.
Am I missing something else? I don't know either of these guys at all, but if we are going to accuse Ace of bullshido, I'd like proof of a lie rather than the absence of confirmation of the truth. Or am I the only one who thinks this? If you look at the investigation this site did on Ashida Kim, or Frank Dux, or even the articles on the Aikido guy from the UK (name escapes me), there was a lot more thorogh job done on investigating claimed credentials. In each case, there was PROOF there were lies.
Do we have any confirmation that he LIED about any of is titles? If he did, WHO is the real titleholder?
Just some questions in my mind. I'd be happy if Koto or someone else could help me answer them before I start blasting Acekicken.
1/17/2005 5:50pm, #96Originally Posted by Feryk
1/17/2005 6:39pm, #97
About the Denz Dungeon thing... there is a Kevin Denz, specialist in Koshiki JJ who competed at Rage in the Cage. Sherdog lists him as 0-3. Could this guy have his own gym? If you had that record would you be putting it on the internet? I wouldn't, but the guy has the right style to be affiliated with Ace.
I'll see if I can find anything more.
1/17/2005 9:15pm, #98Originally Posted by Feryk
He also says it was Denz Dungeon Submission Fighting, and SF is a bit different from Koshiki JJ.
1/18/2005 11:52am, #99
- Join Date
- Jan 2005
- buffalo, NY
I know Primo (No this is not primo and it should be obvious by the fact I _can_ spell).. and I'm not going to sit here and attempt to find links none of you can find, I'll assume when you get your emails back enough confirmation will occur this thread may actually stop, although I do enjoy a good bit of primo bashing... :)
Denz's Dungeon is run by one Jeff Denz, And he really doesn't do much in terms of putting himself on the internet and whatnot. I dont know what kind of "proof" you want to see that Jeff does exsist, but I have a pic of him when he trained with Renzo...
Yes I know that image could be of anyone, yes I am aware its not a ton of proof, I dont truly feel the need to spend 20 pages trying to prove without a shadow of a doubt he exsists.
Oh and Primo, I know you hate the sound of it but using microsoft word before you post your messages would help so much it really hurts everyone else...
:wrestlerc <-- had to be done
1/18/2005 1:06pm, #100
godd...the left guy is ugly..so is the right one by the way..
I'm happy i always tape my competition and we always have someone taking photo's of the winners for our website,i would hate to be called a lyer about my fighting reputation...
By the way,he should atleast have some pic's,let him post them,if he wants to prove his realness offcourse..