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  1. Deadpan Scientist is offline

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     Style: BJJ

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    Was there always groundwork in kempo schools?

    Do they/have they/can they compete in grappling tournaments with this kempo grappling?
  2. Mark Su Kow is offline

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     Style: Shorin Kempo

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    There is groundwork in our style. You will hear that Chin Na is the grandfather of grappling blah, blah... To prove that is near impossible, I'm sure cavemen were doing some form of the grappel. The same control techniques used on your feet can also be used on the ground through some imagination, creativity and through evolution of the style. I am not here to say Kempo is the best or better than BJJ or any style, we have huge gaping holes in our form just as any style does if put under enough scrutiny. I am only here to say that a good Kempo school will have it's fair share of groundwork. It has been proven that you need to know how to roll. If the system is like 90% of other Kempo styles it is outdated and believes it's own propaganda. Kempo needs groundwork and a solid style will have it. That's my point.
  3. Mark Su Kow is offline

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     Style: Shorin Kempo

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    I have a flakey wireless connection if I drop out, no offense.
  4. Shuma-Gorath is offline
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     Style: BJJ - Homeland Security

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    Kempo doesn't need groundwork; the fighter does.
  5. Beatdown Richie is offline
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    I read somewhere on here that Jiu Jitsu essentially comes from Kempo, is that right? If so, why take BJJ and not just Kempo??
    Even if it were correct, it's a total non sequitur. You could say that modern PCs "essentially come from" 8086 processor machines, but there's little reason to prefer one of those over a Pentium IV.
    It's what you get NOW that's important. Not where it comes from, not what it will be in a hundred years.
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  6. KhorneliusPraxx

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  7. Mark L is offline

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    1/12/2005 12:41pm


     Style: kempo

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandeissansoo
    going to a kempo school for groundwork is retarded.
    Wouldn't that depend on the particular school? My primary style is kempo, but at least 1/3 of my class time is spent learning and practicing BJJ.

    If all you seek is groundwork, you're absolutley correct.
  8. patfromlogan is offline
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     Style: Kyokushinkai / Kajukenbo

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    Let's differentiate between Kempo as in American Kenpo or Kajukenbo, more of less stand up arts (with some ground) that were created recently (in historic terms), and Kempo traditions that are ancient from Japan. And to add to the confusion, Kenpo Jui Jitsu is what Mitose called his style (before calling it Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo) and that's led to all sorts of odd names.

    Oh, and to make it worse, the local American Kenpo school here (Parker lineage), has, like many schools, styles, and systems in the last ten years, added full contact mma sparring and teaches ground. So many teachers who were standup are cross training BJJ or having BJJ or JJ or other ground people help teach that you really have to look at the school's curiculum. (like both the "karate/kempo" schools in Logan I attend, one's instructor is an ex-wrestler, also belted in Judo and the other one also teaches JJ).
    Last edited by patfromlogan; 1/12/2005 1:22pm at .
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  9. ojgsxr6 is offline

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     Style: Boxing/BJJudo/Crossfit

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    What is Kenpo/Kempo really? I've tried looking up on the internet, and I've found 15 different origins. The one I've found most consistently is, Indians, from India, brought it to Chinese royalty. But really what is it?
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     Style: Muay Thai & BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Su Kow
    There is groundwork in our style. You will hear that Chin Na is the grandfather of grappling blah, blah... To prove that is near impossible,
    The first documented system of fighting/grappling came from Africa. Ancient Egyptians carved a grappling manual on the walls of Beni Hasan 3000 bc.
    "The next one I will take will pay for my loss. Someone has to pay!" ~ The Axe Murderer
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