REAL WING TSUN

**grond** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:04am

Originally Posted by afronaut

You've made your own gangland role-playing game, haven't you. You have character sheets for your own gang in a binder on your desk that work on all night in a Coke and Hot Pocket-fueled binge that upsets your mom to no end.

Why do you break your mother's heart, bowers?

Hey, what if he's correct? I was reading a novel a few weaks back called The Slum by Aluisio Azevedo about tenement life in Brazil in the 1880s. In one scene a crowd of toughs from a rival housing project are attacking the slum where the protagonists live in revenge for the killing of their friend. The cool part was that the attackers were all caepoeira players and were trying to **** people up caepoeira-style. I have no idea whether that description resembled anything that happened back then(the book was published in 1890), but it was still a pretty cool scene.

It would be cool in a way to think that street thugs in the USA are using martial arts to actually beat the crap out of each other, as opposed to learning martial arts for fun or whatever. Somehow I think they've moved on to guns, though. :)
As one of Ip Man's grandstudents said once, "A bullet will go right through the centerline."

**I aint punchy!?** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:11am

Originally Posted by BatRonin

And deep down that is the problem with WC and many other arts, they DON'T standardised the training !
Sure the curriclum may be spelled out BUT the training methodologies are left to the instructors and what do you get?
Some schools spar, other don't, some do this and that, other don't.
Sure they all "do wing chun", but the vast differences in training make it seem liek many do a totally different system !

Take Boxing, or wrestling, or BJJ or kyokushin, these systems are know as much for their trainign AS they are for their techniques, so what do you get ? a pretty consistent standard for ALL schools.

Maybe there is a lesson there.

Hear hear!

The problem is one that covers most non-sport MAs. By non-sport I mean those that don't have a sport associated with them in some way. I dont know for sure with kyokushin (I assume they have competitions) but for boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo etc... because of the sport aspect there is a strong core of technique that is taught everywhere. This is one of the great strengths of having a sport-aspect to a martial art.

WC suffers from this more because of the 'secrecy' of the martial culture surrounding it... this allows people to become self-appointed masters and teach very introductory techniques as if they were the be-all-and-end-all of WC, and then cater for the 'light-recreational martial artist' market.

**afronaut** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:15am

Originally Posted by grond

Hey, what if he's correct? I was reading a novel a few weaks back called The Slum by Aluisio Azevedo about tenement life in Brazil in the 1880s. In one scene a crowd of toughs from a rival housing project are attacking the slum where the protagonists live in revenge for the killing of their friend. The cool part was that the attackers were all caepoeira players and were trying to **** people up caepoeira-style. I have no idea whether that description resembled anything that happened back then(the book was published in 1890), but it was still a pretty cool scene.

It would be cool in a way to think that street thugs in the USA are using martial arts to actually beat the crap out of each other, as opposed to learning martial arts for fun or whatever. Somehow I think they've moved on to guns, though. :)
As one of Ip Man's grandstudents said once, "A bullet will go right through the centerline."

Or what if gangs in t3h str33t settled things with a big dance contest like in the "Bad" video or "West Side Story"? That'd be cool. Right?

:sad3:

**grond** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:23am

Then gang members would have to study ballet instead of wing chun or jkd. Not as cool. :)

**grond** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:28am

Originally Posted by I aint punchy!?

WC suffers from this more because of the 'secrecy' of the martial culture surrounding it... this allows people to become self-appointed masters and teach very introductory techniques as if they were the be-all-and-end-all of WC, and then cater for the 'light-recreational martial artist' market.

True dat.

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:31am

Originally Posted by grond

Hey, what if he's correct? I was reading a novel a few weaks back called The Slum by Aluisio Azevedo about tenement life in Brazil in the 1880s. In one scene a crowd of toughs from a rival housing project are attacking the slum where the protagonists live in revenge for the killing of their friend. The cool part was that the attackers were all caepoeira players and were trying to **** people up caepoeira-style. I have no idea whether that description resembled anything that happened back then(the book was published in 1890), but it was still a pretty cool scene.

It would be cool in a way to think that street thugs in the USA are using martial arts to actually beat the crap out of each other, as opposed to learning martial arts for fun or whatever. Somehow I think they've moved on to guns, though. :)
As one of Ip Man's grandstudents said once, "A bullet will go right through the centerline."

Gangs always used weapons. Guns just be more available than in previous years. MA for the most part was looked down upon. A brick to the head was much better than learning chop sockey!

**grond** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:38am

Originally Posted by EVIL ASIA

Gangs always used weapons. Guns just be more available than in previous years. MA for the most part was looked down upon. A brick to the head was much better than learning chop sockey!

Do you mean that gangs never used martial arts? What gangs are you talking about, in what countries and what time periods?

I see your point though; it's easy to romanticize the idea of people using martial arts a la kung fu movies to defeat each other without weapons. However, I'm sure that in some places and times martial arts were used extensively to do just that. Why else are they around?

"Guns just be more available than in previous years."-??

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/19/2005 9:48am

Originally Posted by grond

Do you mean that gangs never used martial arts? What gangs are you talking about, in what countries and what time periods?

I see your point though; it's easy to romanticize the idea of people using martial arts a la kung fu movies to defeat each other without weapons. However, I'm sure that in some places and times martial arts were used extensively to do just that. Why else are they around?

"Guns just be more available than in previous years."-??

I was speaking of the US. But I know in Japan gangsters (from street punks to Yakuza) did train in MA but during fights bats, sticks, swords, etc came into play and was perferred over unarmed fighting.

In the US during the 70s guys did get into MA, mainly because of Blaxplotation movies were the king pimp busts out his SLICK KARATE, however the hardcore OGs were not trying to act like Bruce Lee and would stick you with a stick with a switchblade or a chain. I know I've been told many times, "That KarateKungFu Bullsheet don't me **** on the street!"

"Guns just be more available than in previous years."-??

It a lot easier to get a gun now than it was 2 decades ago. And they are cheaper.