REAL WING TSUN

[FMA_Brian]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you old buzzards established that "Bowers is a dumb ****" quite a while ago already?

Although I do appreciate his colourful language and innovative use of smileys.

Speaking of his weird grasp on English; I like how he threw my handle right in the middle of his "rant" followed by the word "wheechy". Means I musta gotten to him calling him a moron and all.

guess I am important :thumbsup:

-Brian

[leejunfan]

I enjoyed training in Wing Chun alot, and I think it has some interesting principles, but why do you think Bruce Lee found the need to modify it if it was already perfect?

Did I ever call Wing Chun perfect?


The facts of Bruce Lee and Wing Chun. Bruce Lee never got past Chum Kiu Level (second form). In fact he never completed that form. He was also never taught the dummy, pole, swords and was in the intermediate stages Chi Sau. He was kicked out of the school because a bunch of his classmates thought he was too brash and disrespectful and used his racial mix (he was a quarter German) to get rid of him. Yip Man liked Lee but did not want to lose the financial support of those students so he "kicked" Lee out but told two of his top students Wong Shun Leung and Cheung Cheuk Hing (William Cheung) to secretly continue teaching young Lee. The 3 were great friends and were known for getting into their fair share of street scraps. But soon Lee left for America and Cheung left for Australia.

Bruce Lee had a lot of holes that were left unfilled because he never finished the system. He fully intended to some day finish the system but died before getting the chance. But before that time he learned the value of self reliance and self taught himself as much as he could as well as taking from various other arts. Bruce Lee had a talent for being able to see something once and performing it exactly.

So there you have it. If anyone ever asks WHY Bruce "changed" Wing Chun you have your answer.

Also please take notice that not all of Yip (Ip) Man's students are the same. Each one making modifications that expressed their individuality as fighters. Some honed their skills in combat and other in the gym. Some stayed true to the reality of street and others subscribed to fantasy. When people broad generalize Wing Chun I just sit back and laugh. Every system out there suffers what WC is suffering now. It's already happening to BJJ. Admit these facts, there are a lot of so called BJJ instructors out there that have not stayed true to what BJJ is really all about. As time goes by this great system you (and now I) all love will be divided into the highly effective old school and the ineffective, watered down, money making new schools.

Such is the way of the money machine

[MrSmith]

http://www.holylemon.com/DeerBoxing.html

I see. I wasn't trying to establish myself through bashing bowers - I was referring to the thread in Trollshido.

[Ronin]

Did I ever call Wing Chun perfect?


The facts of Bruce Lee and Wing Chun. Bruce Lee never got past Chum Kiu Level (second form). In fact he never completed that form. He was also never taught the dummy, pole, swords and was in the intermediate stages Chi Sau. He was kicked out of the school because a bunch of his classmates thought he was too brash and disrespectful and used his racial mix (he was a quarter German) to get rid of him. Yip Man liked Lee but did not want to lose the financial support of those students so he "kicked" Lee out but told two of his top students Wong Shun Leung and Cheung Cheuk Hing (William Cheung) to secretly continue teaching young Lee. The 3 were great friends and were known for getting into their fair share of street scraps. But soon Lee left for America and Cheung left for Australia.

Bruce Lee had a lot of holes that were left unfilled because he never finished the system. He fully intended to some day finish the system but died before getting the chance. But before that time he learned the value of self reliance and self taught himself as much as he could as well as taking from various other arts. Bruce Lee had a talent for being able to see something once and performing it exactly.

So there you have it. If anyone ever asks WHY Bruce "changed" Wing Chun you have your answer.

Also please take notice that not all of Yip (Ip) Man's students are the same. Each one making modifications that expressed their individuality as fighters. Some honed their skills in combat and other in the gym. Some stayed true to the reality of street and others subscribed to fantasy. When people broad generalize Wing Chun I just sit back and laugh. Every system out there suffers what WC is suffering now. It's already happening to BJJ. Admit these facts, there are a lot of so called BJJ instructors out there that have not stayed true to what BJJ is really all about. As time goes by this great system you (and now I) all love will be divided into the highly effective old school and the ineffective, watered down, money making new schools.

Such is the way of the money machine

Strange that Bruce with his incomplete WC was able to take WC to the next level and create JKD, a system that, in MANY regards, is far superiour than WC.

[WingChun Lawyer]

Anthony, does your lineage of WC teaches hooks and jabs as a regular part of the curriculum? Personally I consider those moves essential, and to this date I know of only one WC lineage that does.

[afronaut]

:violent1: No, no, no, you got me ALL Wong. I've been saying ALL along, "MMA is UNDEFEATABLE. Just because a new young guy comes in and kills the old buzzards, proves MMA is the ONLY WAY to go, honest injun. Why my pappy used to say, "Son, when you grow up, yall gonna be a real, regula, MMA killa, like yeah, sonny, boy. IT ain't like Tyson couldn't kill every last one of yall. No way. No, no, no. ....

I'm thinking semi-homeless, unmedicated schizophrenic, posting from the public library. Yeah, that feels right.

[DARKSON]

Who is Anthony?

[Ronin]

Anthony, does your lineage of WC teaches hooks and jabs as a regular part of the curriculum? Personally I consider those moves essential, and to this date I know of only one WC lineage that does.

My WC teaches hooks, jabs and uppercuts, from the outside as well.

[leejunfan]

Anthony, does your lineage of WC teaches hooks and jabs as a regular part of the curriculum? Personally I consider those moves essential, and to this date I know of only one WC lineage that does.

please scroll back to my earlier post on WC's rule of 3's. Yes... we do jabs.

Strange that Bruce with his incomplete WC was able to take WC to the next level and create JKD, a system that, in MANY regards, is far superiour than WC.

Bruce Lee was great and the curriculum he left behind when followed helps people become good fighters.... but far superior? No system in my opinion is superior to any other..... only superior fighters.

we have a rule at our school.

8. Criticism of other Martial Art and/or students will not be tolerated.

The main objective of a student when he/she begins practice of Martial Arts is the cultivation of virtue and morality. The student must strive to better himself/herself.

No one style or system reigns supreme over any other. No one style or system is so far below any other. All Martial Arts have something to offer us. If we have the wisdom to perceive all may teach us their merit. A closed mind, however, is like a full tea cup. It cannot hold anymore.

Therefore, good conduct and respect must be shown for all fellow students, other styles and their students at all times.

[Ronin]

please scroll back to my earlier post on WC's rule of 3's. Yes... we do jabs.



Bruce Lee was great and the curriculum he left behind when followed helps people become good fighters.... but far superior? No system in my opinion is superior to any other..... only superior fighters.

we have a rule at our school.

Allow me to re-pharse:

JKD is a more complete system and in THAT regards, superior to WC.