Posted On:2/13/2003 9:50am
OK. For you MMA guys, what submissions do you think are the most effective. For example, from the fight clips I have been reviewing it appears arm bars, and rear naked chokes are the most common. What do you think?
Posted On:2/13/2003 10:21am
Style: Submission Wrestling.
armbars, chokes, &gt;&gt;&gt;Keylock/Kimura&lt;&lt;&lt; (think they're the same - you forgot to mention those).. less common would be kneebars, footlocks..
Also: strikes from the mount (it's a submission.)
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Posted On:2/13/2003 11:09am
Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Kneebar I hardly ever see, armbar and gulliotine choke I think is pretty high on the list.
I don't really think that the rear naked choke is really to easy to get.
I'll make one when I can find one I like.
Posted On:2/13/2003 11:13am
Different people like different subs. YOu rarely see a leglock though, because they are very dangerous to pull off (against an experienced grappler). Also if you try an upper body sub and it fails you can generally retain good postion. If you try a leglock and it fails, you generally give up good position.
The reason armbars are so common is because it is the easiest handle to get on the upper body and there is a bazillion ways to do them from damn near any position.
As for chokes. IMO the pillow choke is by far the easiest to get, but you never see it. I don't know why.
Posted On:2/13/2003 11:30am
"As for chokes. IMO the pillow choke is by far the easiest to get, but you never see it. I don't know why."
Never see pillows in the ring.....ooops
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Posted On:2/13/2003 11:39am
Style: BJJ, Karate,
The keylock is a really simple move that takes about 5 minutes to learn. It easy to apply and can be used on a person alot bigger than you.
Armbars work good also. When your mounted an untrained person will usually extend his arms. He really doesn't have any idea what an armbar is and when you take his arm he'll have no way of knowing how to escape.
Of course the guillotine and rear naked will work fast on anyone. If you grab someone in a guillotine and then jump guard hes done. Only someone familiar with submission grappling is going to know how to get out. The common person thinks hes ON TOP. He has no idea he is about to lose the blood flowing to his brain. He also has no idea that if the bottom person turns and then twists hard to the SIDE he can break the top persons neck. It puts TREMENDOUS pressure on the spine.
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Posted On:2/13/2003 1:04pm
cool! the guillotine sounds sweet! how do you do it? is there anywhere i can see this? i want to lern it!
Posted On:2/13/2003 1:10pm
655 posts and he doesn't know what a guillotine is. Now that's just ig'nant.
Posted On:2/13/2003 1:48pm
"cool! the guillotine sounds sweet! how do you do it? is there anywhere i can see this? i want to lern it!"
Posted On:2/13/2003 1:52pm
Style: Chinese Boxing
Fore arm choke....doesn't work 85% of the time but it definetely forces position.
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