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  1. Arbiter is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by missile
    You can go to just about any Muay Thai or MMA school and do some sparring which will not be magically called to a halt upon entering a clinch. And while we're on the subject, how come I never see anything like underhooks/overhooks in wing chun? It's just that as teh ultimate closs-range style, I would have thought that clinching would rate at least a passing mention. But I digress.
    I use fook sau as underhook/overhooks , same priciple and application, works in different ranges, people widely misuse and misunderstand fook sau.
    I find WC/S.Hands actually work very well in the clinch range. Once I step into clinch range the fook sau's become underhooks and most of the striking is elbows, along with forearms, shoulders... its not all supposed to be slappy hands from some fictional intermediate range/distance, but that is what it has become in almost all cases, sad.

    I do agree that _ing _un as its taught is mostly utter crap and deserves all the flack it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamon Guy
    In wing chun, you're only option against a boxer is to basically close distance quickly and 'shut him down' in a ring/spar, this would be broken up.
    There are lots of places and rulesets you can spar under where WC tactics wouldn't be broken up.

    Wing chun is nasty. It uses eye gouges, finger strikes, sinking/iron palms and elbows. Not many sports that you could use these.

    Even in the UFC, most of these techniques are banned.
    Only the eye gouges. The rest have been used. Actually, eye gouges have been used in MMA too. Gordeau tried it against a japanese guy, took the sight in one of his eyes and still lost.

    Wing chun was not designed to spar. Yip Man never did sparring, Ip Chun never did sparring. They used the wing chun in challenge fights which is about as close as it gets.
    Who did Ip Chun ever have a challenge match with ? in his own book he says he's never had a fight and he didn't even take up martial arts until his late 30's.

    The whole concept of sparring is not to hurt your opponent, but rather try to 'play' and find weaknesses, improve footwork, etc.
    That depends on the level of contact.

    In wing chun, you shouldn't need to improve your footwork!! You are dragging the fight out if you approach someone with your hands up and try to box him.
    I appreciate that you aren't training to be the person initiating the fight, but what about lateral movement, finding good attacking angles etc ? surely this all depends on good footwork ?
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  4. Omar is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamon Guy
    I would disagree to a point. Master Chan . . .
    Kamon Guy,

    Where the **** are you and who is this "Master Chan".

    You have pretty much zero information in your profile. All it says is that you train WC. No mention of a school or even a city or state.
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    Posted On:
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    Please, eye gouging is as usefull in an arguement about as much as a a hand gun is. Leave it alone. It could work, but you better be able to defend everything else in the style as well. To many threads spin off on eye poking tagent, and always result to siteing ONE MMA event as scientific proof they are useless.

    Move on,....

    Now back to the discussion of Deer Boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    Kamon Guy,

    Where the **** are you and who is this "Master Chan".

    You have pretty much zero information in your profile. All it says is that you train WC. No mention of a school or even a city or state.
    I used my deadly google skills:

    http://www.kamonwingchun.com/
  7. Omar is offline

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    Holy crap.

    I wouldn't have thought to google "Kamon". It didn't occur to me that it would be a reference to his school.
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    A brief scan through the site and I'd say it looks pretty good.

    An endorsement from Jeff Thompson ranks pretty high in my book and I noticed that the students pictured are not the typical pasty faced pencil necks you so often see at WC schools. The BJJ brown belt also says fuckloads but unlike some people I tend to read it as telling me that this guy has realistic ideas about what other people are doing and is not on the WC crappling boat so many people are eager to board.

    I also liked what I saw in the WC stances and pics from Siu Lum Tao and other WC apps.

    Looks good.
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    The same Geoff Thompson that developed the Fence and such things that Kamon Guy dismissed on the other thread? How strange :)
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    lol.

    I hadn't been following his stuff...Kamon guy's. Geof Thomson I kind of like.
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