Drunken Master II (aka "Legend of Drunken Master" aka "Zui Quan 2")
Originally Posted by ronin69
Finally fight in the steel factory. The big American...yeah baby....
Originally Posted by Poop-Loops
So then where does one actually apply pure physics? If not to real world situations.
Are all these people winning Noble Prizes in Physics for solving artificial Cyber-World Game-boy problems?
Short Distance ... Long Distance ...
I don't know why you sight short range as being for kinetic energy. Kinetic energy need space to get up to speed. Short range is more like F=ma. Think like a big slow weight lifter.
Originally Posted by ronin69
Long range is e=mv^2. Kinetic energy ... SPEED!!!!
All effective striking techniques rely on recruiting as many muscle groups as you can to "help out". I don't think it has **** to do with distance. Although, one can rely on accelerating a limb over a larger distance and become complacent. Training over "short distances" will require many more muscle groups to get up to speed.
The ultimate lesson should be that punching without your hips is stupid.
I think the first comment is demonstratably false and the second so absurd to be irrelevant.
Originally Posted by celticdragon03
Neither of these comments have been demonstrated to anyone's* satisfaction.
*by anyone I mean me
Years ago I bought a book called Jeet Kune Do by Paul Vunak. I think that guy is respected by JKD-doers around here, and around the world. In that book every technique shown had at least one WC element (like the chain punching) well, I didnīt know **** at that tiem about MA or fighting (I donīt know **** neither now), but I bought what he was selling and still I consider that WC can be a good mix with another striking art.
On this subject Iīd like to hear more from WCL now that he trains in another style. What do you save from your years in WC, MA-related?
Originally Posted by Ronin69
You punch with your hips in Wing Chun, thats where your power comes from over such a short range. Its how you do the 'one inch punch' party trick.
Originally Posted by taikwido
And it sounds like there are more **** schools out there than i at first believed. No sparring!!?!?!? Bad bad schools. We spar, we get hit, we gouge each other, we go for the groin, we yank clumps of hair out, we draw blood/sweat/tears/drool/piss and have a damn good time doing it, we train on a hard floor so leg sweeps etc are often agony.
To cut to the point, if you're going to learn Wing Chun don't learn it with rules or limitations, practise it the way its meant to be used and always keep an open mind about what you might face. Mostly, hit each other a lot.
Originally Posted by Feryk
Thai boxing is pretty simple. I wouldnt count on learning all there is to know about BJJ in a year or two though.
It's like Mastermind! A moment to learn, a lifetime to master! :icon_geek
That is not to say in a real fight you should not use elbow power.
Originally Posted by WingChun Lawyer
The idea is train you elbow/forearm power. The power is in the elbow not really the step.The problem with punching with your shoulder is that you telegraph it easily. The shoulder is also easily broken, you should learn to fight without it.
A hook puch leaves you open in fact all circular attacks. Wing chun is about split second timing. Wing Chun has a strict adherence to its principles. If you had a good sifu he would practically show the pros and cons.
2) No emphasis on circular strikes, punches or kicks. This flaw is irredeemable. A hook is an excellent fight ender, so is a roundkick. Those techniques should be emphasized in a striking art.
3) It takes forever to learn how it should actually work. Lots of different kinds of footwork, too much theory, it all became confusing. I DID WING CHUN FOR TWO DAMN YEARS AND I STILL DONīT KNOW HOW IT SHOULD ALL FIT TOGETHER IN A FIGHT. And please, letīs not even start with the lineage wars, and with the "that is not wing chun, THIS is wing chun". I refuse to believe that strange guard I was taught and those artificial stepping motions are the way it is supposed to work.
Thats one of the problems within the community. Thats why I only use Wing Chun as a base art. Many wing chun techniques are negated once you put padding and gloves on and maybe it could cause students to question things.
4) No sparring. At all. This is both inexcusable and frustrating. This was also the reason I left the kwoon. I was creamed by a MT guy with six months of experience when I started it, because I had no experience in sparring. And I believe I would also get creamed if I had tried to use eye gouges or vicious elbow strikes to the spinal cord, if anyone must know.
with Gloves on you end up boxing, bare hand Wing Chun shines.
Originally Posted by taikwido
Actually Ronin69 is saying the same thing that you are, and he's probably more correct with respect to the distance considerations.
*geek mode on*
1) Kinetic energy: ke = 0.5mv^2
2) Force: F = ma
3) Projectile motion: v = at
and also v^2 = 2ad
Kinetic Energy becomes: ke = 0.5mv^2 = 0.5m(at)^2 = mad
At close range both the distance d and the time duration t will be very small. Thus, to maximize the energy in your punch, you need to generating as high an acceleration as possible. Which in turn, also maximizes the force of your punch.
The difference with longer distances is probably related more to the "effective" mass that you can generate. At longer distances it's easier to rotate your hips and shoulders to increase the "effective" mass of your punch, which in turn increases the energy and force of your punch. At shorter distances your technique has to be a little more refined, to be able to quickly and comfortable rotate your hips and accelerate your "effective" mass into your punch.
*geek mode off*
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