Thread: My current opinions on wing chun
11/28/2005 10:21am, #511
No. Only one of the two guys had experience in other stuff.
I can also vouch for others of his students who had no MA background. I'm not saying "it's the fighter". If you go that road then you may as well just throw out all the stuff out there. I'm saying it's the TRAINING and the style. Remember I jumped in on this "lovefest" to bash on some blowhard making excuses about WC taking a long time to learn. That's just bullshit. Taijiquan takes a long time to learn. Baguazhan takes a long time to learn. Wing Chun . . . .is about as easy as Chinese styles come. The only thing I can think of that maybe comes easier is choi li fut but THAT style had ENDLESS forms.
If you just put the same amount of blood sweat and tears into WC training as the average Muay Thai guy puts in, you should be at no disadvantage. Looking back at Supercraps comment:
Having spent many years in wing chun, and still sucking hard, but still being thrown around by my sifu, I can tell you it DOES take years to get good at.
That thing about complexity is completely contrary to the basic core of WC theory. It is just an excuse for bad teaching.
11/28/2005 10:30am, #512Originally Posted by Omar
Originally Posted by Omar
11/28/2005 10:30am, #513Originally Posted by It is Fake??
Originally Posted by Astrosmurf
Could it be that most WC has come to focus too much on the theory and forgets to make fighters out of people. They give them the shape of the tools and the concepts but not the conditioning and mental part of being an actual fighter.
Most of the WC pussies I have met have been talkers. Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk . . .*yawn*. A lot of things can be explained too early and too much.
11/28/2005 10:30am, #514
Also, this drives me nuts, once corrupted you can't say you use pure WC principles. I would love to see you use good WC but, it would be mixed no matter how pure you think it would be.
IMO there are no longer any pure arts.
Last edited by It is Fake; 11/28/2005 10:35am at . Reason: Stupid blanket statement
11/28/2005 10:36am, #515Originally Posted by Omar
11/28/2005 10:36am, #516Originally Posted by It is Fake??
All styles came into existance, at some point, from a mix of what already existed that some well known fighter felt suited them as their personal mix, plus perhaps a few new insights, and were altered by each subsequent generation.
11/28/2005 10:36am, #517Originally Posted by Astrosmurf
That doesn't mean that what they did wasn't pure taiji or that they mixed. It just means that they had realisitic ideas about how things went down. They actually knew what a real punch looked like and just how strong some people could be. That's why I, like JFS (I believe), don't believe in crosstraining so much as what I personally like to call "tourism". Just get acquainted with what other people are doing. Tastee the flavour. Cross hands. Maybe even train a month or something. Find out for real what you will be facing.
11/28/2005 10:38am, #518Originally Posted by Omar
11/28/2005 10:43am, #519Originally Posted by Cullion
Dude, there are millions of fighters (myself at one point) that believe this 100%. Look at the lineage wars of WC.
My point is when someone says I will show you pure WC principles you can't subtract everything else that was learned. It isn't the so called "pure, real. original" style they initially learned.
I don't mean pure as in the original creation.
11/28/2005 11:05am, #520
Originally Posted by Cullion
- Join Date
- Nov 2005
- Wing Chun
I regularly train in Muay Thai as a personal development, but a lot of our students play with the concept of sparring and real fighting.
Sifu trains with K1 fighters, boxers, MT guys and BJJ guys. He recently won silver at the worlds (BJJ).
Obviously you need to build up your skills before you spar. You cannot aske a beginner to spar with a senior level wing chun guy. Why? Because the guy who has come off the street could be a black belt in TKD!! He would merely fall back on his TKD training rather than use the concepts of wing chun.
Later on, when wing chun has been developed, people can use whatever knowledge they have of other arts to develop.
It's like me walking into a boxing gym and then saying 'come over here and box this fighter'. I would have to first develop the skills of boxing and then compete
Hope that clarifies