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  1. supercrap is offline
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    (1). THE STRUCTURE OF THE MOVES

    (a) The basic concept is to utilize the rotation of a circle to generate the force and to tolerate any force applied externally. This is due to the fact that anything of the same mass when in a circular shape can tolerate heavier force applied externally and generate greater driving force with minimum energy than in any other shape. The ‘Tan Sau’, ‘Bong Sau’ and ‘Fook Sau’ of Siu Nim Tau are the obvious examples of applying the principle of circular motion. The practical use is to let the opponent’s wrist contact on the internal side or external side of the circle. From Tan Sau to Bong Sau is to let the opponent’s wrist from the internal side of the circle go to the external side of the circle go to the internal side of the circle. Fook Sau is to use the external side of the circle to contact the opponent’s wrist.

    (b) To use the straight line as the base of exerting force during attack. The motto of Wing Chun “A straight line is the shortest distance between two points” is actually applying the principle of the straight line. This is the application of speed and force of impact. In real fighting, speed and great force of impact is of prime importance. The short distance is to reduce the attacking time whilst attacking on a straight line is to increase the striking force. The combination of a “short distance” and a “straight line” will result in high speed and a heavy punch.

    (c) The concealed skill of the “Two Adduction Stance” (Yee Chi Kim Yeung Ma). The “Two Adduction Stance” fully reflects the skill in concentrating the force of impact. Because of its posture, it can concentrate the force of impact at the center line or even to the center point so that every move contains the weight of the whole body. Since the knees are slightly bent and springy, one can transfer the striking force from the wrist of the opponent to one’s knees. This action can reduce the burden of the arms, thus increasing the mobile ability of the arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin69
    North east of Brasil it is !!
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    "Boris, at the MT gym we are taught to intercept the hook with our forearms: your forearm stands vertically to the floor, and your arm moves sideways in the direction of the punch. That is a circular motion which, AFAIK, wing chun does not have."

    That is the block I use against hooks wcrevdonner. As for what a hook is, search any post of the user Piz Doff and check out his avatar.
    Last edited by WingChun Lawyer; 1/13/2005 8:30am at .
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    Sorry your thread turned into another gh3y WT thread WCL.

    It is simply amazing how much WT/WC/VT people talk about theories for pages and pages and pages. The myth you touched on about taking along time to get good a fighting with Kung Fu is something I posted once about - I think it was before you were here.

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5582

    It's not that it takes you long to be a good fight, it is that it takes you a long time to learn WT/WC/VC drills. That's it.
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    Hm, I am actually not disappointed with this thread, McFu. We have been discussing theories for so long because we are trying to find out which parts of the system are good and which of them are crap.

    I´ll check out your thread now.
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    IMHO, this is exactly how the system itself is flawed. The only reason these things CAN be argued about is that they don't get tested.
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    1/13/2005 7:16am

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    Well, some of the WC stuff works pretty decently when tested, such as leg checks against kicks, inside-outside punch defenses, sensitivity developed through chi sao, control of the opponent´s arms and trapping...quite a few things really. I have used those techniques effectively when sparring MT guys.

    But yes, my opinion is that the system itself is deeply flawed. It certainly doesn´t feel natural to use and to apply, not all of it anyway.
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    You have used trapping successfully? Did you do this with boxing gloves?
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    Chi Sao, teaches you how to find openings, when in contact with an opponent.
    The "stop kick and chain punch" self defence taught to WT noobs, only works on people who can't fight. Most schools don't teach "t3h Gr@pple", this makes it incredibly hard to defend against takedowns.
    Both of my former WT teachers worked as bouncers at the only discoteque in town, they got to test their WT against all kinds of folks, therefore, they could fight well. But then again, all WT'ers claim their teacher has "th3 Re@L \/\/1n6 C|-|Un!!!".
    This either means that a) there are alot of deadly people out there who never fight or, b) alot of people have a case of "OMG! my Shifu is the shiznit!!"-syndrome.
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    1/13/2005 7:23am


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    Quote Originally Posted by supercrap
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    (1). THE STRUCTURE OF THE MOVES

    (a) The basic concept is to utilize the rotation of a circle to generate the force and to tolerate any force applied externally. This is due to the fact that anything of the same mass when in a circular shape can tolerate heavier force applied externally and generate greater driving force with minimum energy than in any other shape. The ‘Tan Sau’, ‘Bong Sau’ and ‘Fook Sau’ of Siu Nim Tau are the obvious examples of applying the principle of circular motion. The practical use is to let the opponent’s wrist contact on the internal side or external side of the circle. From Tan Sau to Bong Sau is to let the opponent’s wrist from the internal side of the circle go to the external side of the circle go to the internal side of the circle. Fook Sau is to use the external side of the circle to contact the opponent’s wrist.

    (b) To use the straight line as the base of exerting force during attack. The motto of Wing Chun “A straight line is the shortest distance between two points” is actually applying the principle of the straight line. This is the application of speed and force of impact. In real fighting, speed and great force of impact is of prime importance. The short distance is to reduce the attacking time whilst attacking on a straight line is to increase the striking force. The combination of a “short distance” and a “straight line” will result in high speed and a heavy punch.

    (c) The concealed skill of the “Two Adduction Stance” (Yee Chi Kim Yeung Ma). The “Two Adduction Stance” fully reflects the skill in concentrating the force of impact. Because of its posture, it can concentrate the force of impact at the center line or even to the center point so that every move contains the weight of the whole body. Since the knees are slightly bent and springy, one can transfer the striking force from the wrist of the opponent to one’s knees. This action can reduce the burden of the arms, thus increasing the mobile ability of the arms.
    :5eek: :sign18:

    Ugh.... it's at this point in all WC threads where I stop reading.

    1) Hit the guy
    2) Hit him very hard
    3) Hit him again
    4) Don't get hit
    5) Repeat ad nauseum

    That's about as complex as it should be.

    Just think.... in about the same amount of time the guy in the pic above spent drumming up this crap, he could've been fighting and getting better instead.... bloody shame.....


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