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    Kani-basami

    Can anyone please explain what how it's applied?

    I know it's banned for having a high likelihood of breaking the leg, but that's all I know.

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    Not a high likelyhood, but has a much higher risk of damaging the knee than many OTHER throws. It is currently illegal in Judo because of that very reason.

    One 'way' of hitting a Kani is to open up with Uchimata. If you strike out you can keep your leg up there, then use your FAR hand to base on the ground and use your base leg to swing behind low on the ground. Basically you use it as a leg scissors with your Uchimata leg as the high point and your base leg as the low point. And because your leg is 'laced' between theirs it is difficult for them to step out, but also a higher likelyhood that you will swing right into the side of their knee (hello ACL!). But it sets up the kneebar and footlocks very nicely.

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    Yeah, that was what I was always taught. Kani Basami, classical applied (what throw ever is?) is just as safe as the others, but in reality, the mechanics and temptation is to do it fast and with your legs closer to each other, which makes it less of "push the body, sweep out the legs) throw and more of a "crush the leg in a vise" technique.



    If your right leg is up high, then it works the text book way. If you're trying to throw it on someone fast, and you're already on the ground and the ref is about to stand you up, you are naturally going to do it lower and your left legs hold both his legs immoble and the right leg pushes the knee backwards. Crunch.

    Is it still tournament-illegal? I thought I heard one of the competition guys at my old place say maybe it wasn't, but I have no idea of it's true.

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    BJJ=legal
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    Judo=illegal

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    Once you get your legs in place, the way it should be thrown is to keep the legs tight and rotate your hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Fields
    Once you get your legs in place, the way it should be thrown is to keep the legs tight and rotate your hips.
    Damn. That's a good suggestion. I never thought of that. Clamp it on first, then twist.

    I guess that's a whole in judo training, though. Tourney illegal techniques get sidelined at some dojos and so safe variations and good ideas, like Aaron's, don't get used. Bummer.
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    In case anyone is wondering how/why/when to do this technique watch Chosan in the last Pride. He gets a beautiful Kani and finishes with an inverted heel hook. The fluidity of the techniques almost scream WORK!!!!!

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    Actually, under CBJJ rules Kani-Basami is illegal.

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    Recent addition to the rules. One of many :( And although CBJJ is considered the authority, most tournaments don't care one way or the other. They won't stop you from using it. I've used it twice myself. Once last year. IGJJ rules are another story - pretty much anything goes including slams.

    But I think you are correct that the majority of BJJ is moving away from the legality of it. The bad thing about that is the standards of refereeing in BJJ is so abismal that you can pretty much do what you wantand claim ignorance after the fact. Add in the ambiguity of the IGJJF rules and its freaking mayhem. Can you do a fig 4 on the ankle or not, kneebar or not, etc etc. Every damn tournament is different and they seem to be modifying the rules at will.

    Personally I would like to see it gone everywhere. We get enough knees blown out.

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