Good/Sloppy Grappling or How I Learned to Love the Bomb

[Otaku Waffle]

It sounds innovative more then sloppy.
No, I wouldn't say the same of a newb and this->

3. Bad Habits: People tend to develop shortcuts in anything you do. Some people in golf find that dipping the shoulders or rotating the body a little more might help them at the start, but then find it difficult to improve or perfect their technique once it has become habit.

is why. Sounds like you learned the "textbook" so now you can start experimenting. Maybe it's not so important to think "I can't consistently pull off the same crazy move." as it is to think "Do I consistently pull off crazy moves or do they fail a lot?".

Grappling experience: 7 years of Judo (1st kyu), we trained about 60/40 standing/ground work.

[WhiteShark]

*Expert enters the discussion*

It's because you are fighting chumps. I can make almost any damn thing work on a newb but only by doing everything right can you sub people that are "better" than you. I realize I'm making a big assumption but it definately sounds like you are fighting newbs.

*The expert thing was obviously a joke...

PS I just read your Journal you have a lot more experience than I had realized so I would say the above may hold true but your opponents need only be average not newbs. Also I think it still applies to those of us that are relative beginners who get away with "tricks"

[Shuma-Gorath]

I'd like to thank all the non-grapplers for deciding to contribute to this grappling discussion.

I grapple and so do some other people with whom I was talking about this thread. None of us felt qualified to answer, so we didn't.

Aesopian and I will be publishing a paper on this phenomenon.

[Ronin]

The whole point is to go from technique to technique is a fluid way, to have "no-technique" as your technique.
Granted, this takes years of training, but is very common in ALL MA.

[Bizzaro Root]

while I dont consider myself a grappler I will attempt to field this question. The moves themselves are not as important as what they teach you. This holds true for "form" as well. Whether or not you exhibit perfect form in a fight is irrelevant, but its the perfect form in training that got you to that point.

styles like silat, wing chun and bjj teach you alot about body mechanics. the moves are secondary, once you fully understand them you can create your own or use variations flowing seamlessly between the two. Its like when in Pride Nogueira created a new choke and didnt even realize it.

first off the arm triangle has been around forever and he didnt invent it and not relize it, he said before the grand prix that he had a new move that he learned as was going ot use it and he did. he got herring and he got yokoi.

[Aesopian]

I've never seen the fight, so I could be wrong, but it appears Nog got that same choke in the fight just before the one with Herring where everyone started going "HE INVENTED A NEW CHOKE!"

From Nog's record:

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...fighterid=1440

Win     Hirotaka Yokoi     Submission (Anaconda Choke)     PRIDE-Total Elimination 2004     4/25/2004

This choke has been around for a while, it's just that no one had ever really seen it in competition. I've gotten my head about torn off from people doing a similar one with the gi.

ANYWAY, to the topic at hand, I'm not qualified to answer, since I'm still working on doing technical moves before I start trying to goof around with them.

[Dochter]

ANYWAY, to the topic at hand, I'm not qualified to answer, since I'm still working on doing technical moves before I start trying to goof around with them.

Considering people doing what Elvis is talking about, do it to me. I too feel unqualified to answer beyond the fact that it is probably a very, very good sign.

The non-grapplers may continue to answer.

[Yrkoon9]

Its like when in Pride Nogueira created a new choke and didnt even realize it.

Ummm no. No, and no.

Next you will be saying the Gracies invented the triangle?

[Jekyll]

It sounds pretty damn cool to me, but then I'm the sort of person who gets told to take his feet of the walls when rolling.

What I'd expect to happen is as you continue to progess the techniques get less sloppy and sharper without lossing the flow making you look more like one of the very good guys.

No ones going to offer any good advise except keep rolling and let us know what happens.

[Red Elvis]

I'd like to thank all the non-grapplers for deciding to contribute to this grappling discussion.

How long have you been grappling RedElvis?

I've been grappling easliy for over ten years I'd say. Go here to see what I've done for a better idea of my backround.