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  1. Kayne is offline
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    Japanese Jujitsu and Resistance

    Having done JJJ for about a year and a half, I'm starting to get a firm grasp of the concepts and practicalities of the art, but as of yet, I have had little practice working against a resisting, moving opponent. That said, for those of you who learn JJJ, or even Judo, what are ways that you can suppliment a bit of resistance into your training 'diet', without having to troll pubs for fights, of course?

    Also, at this point, I'm considering taking up Kyokushin, simply to work on more practical elements of stand-up fighting (distance, footwork, power and soforth). Although it would be great if they allowed a bit of grappling in their sparring, I could live without it.
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    well - you should have come and trained with those Japanese guys I told you about .
    They would have given you some resistance....

    It is a multi-step process from learning a technique to be able to use it in a randori/shiai/street fight.
    When you drill your technique you can agree to resist a bit, a bit more etc.
    Sparring/randori - try your new stuff all the time.
    Practise with different people.
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    Kayne, this hit close to home. 4 years JJJ, never once worked with resistance. Several years and several instructors later, I landed with my current instructors. My ability was quite frankly that of a beginer. I knew lots of techniques, but was clueless on how to make them work against a resisting opponent. I was almost in traction after the 1st time I worked out with them. It took me 15 minutes just to get soto gari to work efectively. I would try and get some fellow students to randori with you. Talk to your instructor about it. Do advanced practitioners work with resistance?
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    Hrm... we wrestle all the time, but then again we study no-gi BJJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzei
    Kayne, this hit close to home. 4 years JJJ, never once worked with resistance. Several years and several instructors later, I landed with my current instructors. My ability was quite frankly that of a beginer. I knew lots of techniques, but was clueless on how to make them work against a resisting opponent. I was almost in traction after the 1st time I worked out with them. It took me 15 minutes just to get soto gari to work efectively.
    Yeah, that's pretty much what I want to avoid. Frankly, if I hadn't come across this site, I may have unwittingly done something similar. Tell me, in your original dojo, did you guys train with weakeners?
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    Not sure what you mean by weakeners. My problem was that most of my training was 1 on 1 with my instructor. Unfortunately, he was >60, and couln't take full force throws, ne waza, etc. Like I said, I learned lots of techniques, but never against a resisting opponent.
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    Weakeners are strikes you use when moving into a throw or armlock. Just to, you know, distract them from your intention of breaking their arm or something.
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    You can look around for places holding open mats. Some BJJ and Judo schools do that from time to time. I would suggest leaving your current school and finding one that does use resisted/live training. Pretty much every BJJ and Judo school does.
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    Good advice so far, if you are going to try Kyokushin, there are some schools that combine it with judo, but I don't know if there are any "down Under".

    Judo should be easy to find though.
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     Style: Kyokushin and Judo.

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    Kayne you can't go wrong at a decent Kyokushin school that trains hard.

    If its its Judo you want. Check out the university in Perth. They have a pretty good Judo club I hear. Not too expensive either.
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