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    But I'll wait, for some one to jump on top of karate, tkd, or any other style that doesn't win in the ufc.
    Way to propel this thread 180 degrees from its original point. If there wasn't going to be a TMA vs. MMA debate, there will be now.

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    I totally agree, but also left out are the schools that include belt testing as a source of revenue. Alot of people would argue "we should be payed for our time", which I totally agree with, but when a school charges a student $30+ for a yellow belt (or any early belt) test where all they have to know is like 2 or 3 techniques and maybe a form, and then to have them do it for a hour is just a scam.

    Also is the changing of the art of the to make profit without really changing anything. I've seen this alot where a school will start being everywhere and everything. If you walk into a school and ask them "do you guys train in ____" and they say "Sure" and show you 2 or 3 techniques you could of picked up from a book without any real explanation other than the names of the movements in the technique, that's bad.

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    MATZ, your a MEATHEAD, dead from the neck up!
    Of course, being an average troll, you didn't give a reason for your brilliant deduction.

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    What are your thoughts? Bullshido or not? Is this a Mcdojo practice?
    I don't think there's anything wrong with this, as long as noone misrepresents what they're offering.

    I mean, not everyone that's allowed to graduate from a given university is expected to bag a Nobel prize in their major. Even when it comes to tuition, I don't think it's that difficult to see that alot of prominent "research institutions" crank out the undergrads in order to fund graduate work. Martial arts schools work the same way, and I don't feel that's McDojo-ish.

    Now that's just the casual "teaching in the local community center" type club. What I meant by misrepresentation is if you're in an actual professional program, and you take the above business-approach to crank out students, then it's wrong. If I get accepted into Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den or one of those 24/7 Muay Thai camps in Thailand, and I'm just jerked around for cash, then I'd be pissed.

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    Hey Matzahbal, do you know anything about this Shotokan Karate school on Nellis? It cost only 20 dollars a month and it is close to my house... By the way where is your WC school? I may will stop by to take a look and may even spar some time :-)
    FD, never even knew that was a shotokan karate school on Nellis, I'm very familiar with the Las Vegas School of Shotokan www.lvshotokan.com , the school itself is quite a site, nice hard wood floors. Can't say much for training though, since I've never practice there, but I've run into a few people that got black belts there and are currently in other systems and the only reason they left was because they wanted something more dynamic than Shotokan.

    The WC school I go to is off of Las Vegas BLVD and Serene, in the Vegas Plaza, towards the left back side. If you really want to come down just PM me and I'll give you more information.

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    Hey Guys:

    I posted this on another thread, but I think it applies equally well on this topic.

    This thread caught my eye, because it forces us to question what is a McDojo, and is it due to a property of a location, of culture? Or is there something ubquitous about all McDojos and people?

    In my opinion McDojos will exist and perpetuate in any place in the world that people deceive themselves or allow themselves to be deceived that one can achieve althetically without putting in the necessary hard work and effort. People who are looking for easy, quick fixes to the complex issues of self-defense, self-discovery, and atheletic achievement are inherently drawn to the McDojo, instead of the gym that promises hard work, sweat, and opportunity to test oneself in the face of adversity.
    The simple truth is that anything worthwhile, in any field of human endvor, has been achieved only after lots of hard work, and dedication. Martial arts is no different. Anyone promising results without these requisites is either a huckster or themselves deluded.

    Many people also forget that the martial arts are a field of althetics, and martial artists must be firstly and foremost thought of as atheletes. You wouldn't ever believe that you could play basketball better than most anyone else around without having to strain, sweat, and pratice and play countless hours of basketball first, yet this is what McDojos promise. I don't think anyone would believe that they could out-run, out-jump, out-throw, or out-lift most everyone else on the planet, without first having to stregthen their bodies though rigous execerise, yet some master will show you how in 10 easy steps to defend yourself against a vicious gang of street thugs without any physicall strain!!? The truth is quite the opposite, combat is one of the most difficult and strenous activities one can engauge in, yet one only needs secret techniques, no matter how frial and underdeveloped they are physically?

    McDojos many times promise spiritual enlightenment, and deeper knowledge and insights to the world around us. I am no expert, but it seems to me that enlightenment and knowledge comes from facing trials, tribulations, and diffiuclties, overcoming these obstacles and reflecting on the inner strength and discipline needed to previal. You don't sit and wait for enlightenment to find you, you must go out and challenge yourself and in the process you will find it. Challeging yourself atheletically, physically and mentally is the way of facing these trials, difficulties, and obstacles. Without the challenge, what do you really know of yourself? If you've never had real challenge, what have you overcome? If you've never overcome anything, what insight or knowledge do you really have?

    I may be going to far, or getting off track, but in my mind a Mcdojo isn't a style, a uniform, a belt system, or a business practice. While we feel that these things may be the indicators of a McDojo, they are merely the surface reflections of a deeper McDojo mentality, in that, one may have such properties and not be a McDojo. McDojo is a mentality, a mindset if you will that there are easy answers to diffiuclt problems. That one can achieve without exertion, that one will improve without facing challenges, that one can gain knowledge without testing, that one can gain courage without facing fear, and yes that one can fight off 50 Ninjas with secret techniques and without having to perform atheletically.

    Best wishes to all of you in your training!!
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    Way to propel this thread 180 degrees from its original point. If there wasn't going to be a TMA vs. MMA debate, there will be now.


    Sorry but you have to admit it, that some of the posters do do that.
    You have a right to have a opinion but they general state facts that are wrong.
    "I don't like doing tkd because it can't be used in a street fight or mma."
    see thats fine but most are like this
    "TKD? Man that **** sucks, its sucks ass, take a real martial art like Bjj or Muay thai! Tkd is weak and everyone who takes tkd get owned, you fucken fag"

    Maybe not worded that way but still you get the point. I am sorry if I might of turn it into a TMAvsMMA debate but the general I get from some of the posters is that most TMA's are mcdojo's.




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    Making money isn't wrong.

    It is when people misrepresent what they do and teach in an effort to make money that they cross the line

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