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  1. storm_shadow is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 11:52am


     Style: Brazilian Jiujitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Saigo Ha Daito Ryu Aiki JuJutsu

    I was told on a small forum site that this style had no lineage and that it's main man J. williams (canada) was a hoax. Can anyone shed any light on this matter.

    UK web site is below
    http://www.ukjujitsu.com/

    The international site
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4856/
  2. Peter H. is offline

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    1/03/2005 3:10pm


     Style: Aikido-Kickboxing-Taichi

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Not a hoax, but there was a Soke Rogers who trained with Dr. Rod the fraud, but I undrestand he died in 2001. I am warry of anyone who wears their belt outside of their hakam though.
    "Quiet fool before I am kicking the butt!"
    -My three year old trash talking to me

    "Integrity can't be bought or sold---you either have it or you don't."
    -The Honky Tonk Man

    "If you can't be a shining example, at least be a dire warning."
    -My Father to me one day

    "No surprise. Until Aikido sheds its street-brawling, thuggish image, it'll never be mainstream."
    -Don Gwinn
  3. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 3:19pm

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Zen Mugendo Kickboxing
    Billy Blanks is banging his alien-esque forehead into a hall in frustration at lost franchise income. That and the absolute absurdity of such a title.
  4. Ronin is online now

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 3:20pm

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     Style: Shi Ja Quan

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Most, if not all, legit ryu are registered with the budokan, so its pretty easy to see the lineage and such, though after an individual leaves a ryu and creates their own, what they do then is up to them.
  5. storm_shadow is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 4:16pm


     Style: Brazilian Jiujitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter H.
    Not a hoax, but there was a Soke Rogers who trained with Dr. Rod the fraud, but I undrestand he died in 2001. I am warry of anyone who wears their belt outside of their hakam though.
    The first link is a site of soke rogers, has he died? it seems not according to his site. I was just wondering about this style because everyhigh grade i see advertising does this style :?
  6. Peter H. is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 4:18pm


     Style: Aikido-Kickboxing-Taichi

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I don't think its the same guy:
    http://members.cox.net/jldavid/Web/new_page_2.htm
    "Quiet fool before I am kicking the butt!"
    -My three year old trash talking to me

    "Integrity can't be bought or sold---you either have it or you don't."
    -The Honky Tonk Man

    "If you can't be a shining example, at least be a dire warning."
    -My Father to me one day

    "No surprise. Until Aikido sheds its street-brawling, thuggish image, it'll never be mainstream."
    -Don Gwinn
  7. Aikidoka82 is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 6:10pm


     Style: Tomiki Aikido

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    Williams and his "Daito-ryu" have been discussed extensively in other forums. E.g. E-budo: http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/show...5&pagenumber=1 and Aikido Journal: http://www.aikidojournal.com/forums/...asc&highlight=
    These people have already said everything much better than I can.
    Last edited by Aikidoka82; 1/03/2005 6:13pm at .
  8. Bizzaro Root is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/03/2005 8:14pm


     Style: Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu

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    Let It Be Known That
    Zen Kenpo Ryu Saigo Ha Daito Ryu
    Kenpo & Aiki Bujutsu Is The Traditional Fighting Arts

    Of The Minamoto and Aizu clan Samurai which can trace its ancestry back to the
    emperor Senwa Tenno
    In 850AD
    The Daito Ryu Was Inherited by soemon Takeda1853
    Who passed it on to
    Tanomo Saigo
    Who in turn passed it on to his son
    Shiro Saigo
    Who passed it on to
    Yamashita Houei
    He passed it on to
    Lin Po
    Who passed it to
    Pok Shen
    Who passed it to the currant head of Family
    Gunshi John Williams
    Who Graded Martin J Rogers To
    Sho Dai Soke 9th Dan
    Menkyo Kaiden Shihan Of
    Zen Kenpo Ryu Saigo Ha Daito Ryu
    Aiki Jujutsu

    Below Is Soke Rogers Menkyos And Kyojudairi teaching licence's



    [Staff note: Third image edited to remove trademark at the request of Andrew Morrell, President & Founder C.M.A.A. www.cmaa.co.uk who should consider his associates more wisely it seems.]
    Last edited by Bizzaro Root; 1/03/2005 8:16pm at . Reason: opps
    Eduardo "Why'd you stop."

    Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."

    Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."

    Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."

    Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."


    Originally posted by Ralek
    My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
  9. storm_shadow is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/04/2005 4:33am


     Style: Brazilian Jiujitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Ok look closely at the certs, i have done some research and found that he heads the Zen Kenpo jujitsu association, sotherefore he awarded that cert to himself :?
  10. MrMcFu is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/04/2005 5:26am

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    What the **** is this crap?

    be totally assured that you will be receiving 100% professional tuition
    Be totally assured WE will be recieving 100% of our tution, that YOU owe us.
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