Thread: Tips on tightening up an RNC?
12/31/2004 4:24pm, #31
Originally Posted by Anthony
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When I read that, especially the "Hug them like you love them" part, I thought of Isaac Hayes giving a Jiu Jitsu lesson.
EDIT: Or Barry White, that would work too.sudo make me a sandwich!
12/31/2004 5:27pm, #32Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
12/31/2004 6:04pm, #33
"Naked" chokes are just those without the gi being used, so more than one "RNC" exists.
Best Judo demonstates hadaka jime as clearly forcing the forearm into the windpipe. Being a wind choke, it takes a lot longer to put someone under with it.
Hadaka-jime differs from other forms since part of the pressure is also applied to the larynx and trachea which is extremely painful and the player will usually submit before unconsciousness intervenes.
This is like Fedor's choke against Fujita:
The "rear naked choke" most of us are refering to is probably the "mata leao" (BJJ name), which is a blood choke which puts pressure on the carotid arteries on the sides of the neck, not on the windpipe in the center. This type of choke is relatively painless and cause unconsciousness much faster than stopping their breathing.
Judoinfo.com has interesting articles on shimewaza (choking and strangling techniques) that I recommend checking out:
Judo Choking Techniques
I'm still trying to find where they explain the difference between wind and blood chokes, and how wind chokes take longer.
Also, from reading this forum, I have heard many people warn that chokes that attack the windpipe are potentially the most dangerous, as they can crush it and prevent breathing even when they choke is released, so you'll want to be careful with those.
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12/31/2004 10:14pm, #34
1 Dont push the back of the head forward, push the back of the NECK forward.
2 take a deep breath expanding your chest.
3 dont put your palm on the back of his neck, put the back of your hand there.l
4 if you got hooks ARCH, throwing your feet back and chest in.
And another fine option is to not use the method where your elbows go together, but to slide the elbow on the arm in front of his neck BACK, your other hand pulls his head across you, your forearm bone slices into his trachea.
This gets a quicker tap alot, it gets a kinda spasm tap from the sudden throat crush.In this method think about your shoulder blades coming together.
Not saying the above stuff is the only way.Just stuff I like to think about.
12/31/2004 10:41pm, #35Originally Posted by Strong Machine
Good stuff. Gonna try that!Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
12/31/2004 10:42pm, #36
From what it sounds like to me you were just throwing your forearm across the windpipe and yanking back. If there is one thing I have noticed the minute you cut off someone's wind they kind of freak out and get an energy burst. That would probably be a good reason why your friend was slamming you around. I don't know if this happens all the time it is just from my experience. I think the best advice IMO is Anthony's "hug them like you love them" technique.
1/01/2005 4:51pm, #37
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OK, Try this little experiment. Do your choke like you were doing on your friend and look at how much space there is where his neck is supposed to be. Now, rotate your palm to where it is facing down and curl your hand into a fist. It actually does make the choke tighter, as long as the bottom of your fist is pressed into your opponent. Also, if you cannot get it on the neck, simply try for where the skull meets the spine, that usually works fine. Take a deep breath and DRIVE your cheek into the back of your opponents head to help force his neck forward, into your arm. Lastly, when you arch your back, make sure you do not create space between your heads.
1/01/2005 5:00pm, #38I'm still trying to find where they explain the difference between wind and blood chokes, and how wind chokes take longer."Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire.
1/01/2005 5:08pm, #39
I find that wiggling my arm back and forth while making slurping noises and saying "Soon you will feel the pleasure of my love tentacles!" helps a great deal.
Also, try and grab your own shoulder with the hand of the choking arm.Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
1/01/2005 5:12pm, #40Originally Posted by ThaiboxerkenOriginally Posted by http://bjj.org/techniques/jen/tech8a/