View Poll Results: How much gi or no-gi training do you or your school currently do?
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Gi and no-gi equally.
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Thread: Gi and No-gi
12/22/2004 1:50pm, #11
No gi, which is to be expected. In fact, we’re not even supposed to grab with our thumbs, as this usually indicates usage of unnecessary muscular force. In place of the various grips, there’s a huge emphasis on offsetting the opponent. There are eight methods that are used to do this. Shooter has probably discussed these at length elsewhere, but I have a slightly different take on some of them, so I’ll just give you a quick rundown here:
Ward-off: This is a rounded motion that moves upward. You can use it to draw an attack towards you, but above its target, or away from you and upwards. It should always uproot them. A good hip bump will do this. Arching your back at the right time should do this. A lot of judo throws use this as a matter of course.
Roll-back: If ward-off is the top part of a wheel, then roll-back is the bottom. This will “suck” your opponent inwards and down. They should feel as if their arm has been caught in a set of gears. A cattle catcher or an arm drag can both employ this approach.
Impact: Not really a factor in pure grappling insofar as its striking applications go, but instead of struggling to push someone’s arm or leg from me, I often just use a short, explosive movement, just hard enough to make a bit of room.
Push: Much harder to do on the ground, this is a much more spread-out version of impact designed to move the person.
Pluck: This is where things get interesting. Pluck always utilizes two directions. It exerts force in one and then capitalizes on the direction that the opponent responds in. For example, dropping your weight (say that you’re facing each other on your knees with standard grips) will cause the person to sink a bit into the ground and bounce back. You feel for the direction that they move in response and integrate it into the flow of your next technique. The more tense your opponent, the better this works.
Split: Tough to describe. This involves exerting force towards, and then away from your opponent’s centre of gravity. It’s essentially tangential force that spins them slightly. I use this a lot as part of a single lotus throw (sorry, I’ve been meaning to brush up on the names of equivalent throws in judo, but haven’t gotten around to it yet—this is something like tai otoshi, if memory serves, where the front leg sweeps and the arms pull in the opposite direction). I often use this rounded motion as a substitute for the tug that a gi player would use.
Elbow: Use it!
Shoulder: Both shoulder and back are used for impact and pushing, among other things.
Naturally, the positioning of the hands is essential. Weird-sounding terms like “listening energy” and “sticking energy” mean employing those very qualities. Once you get good hand positioning, it’s essential to stay loose enough to maintain it however your opponent moves and adjust for maximum offset. The expression is: "If you don't move, I don't move. If you move, I arrive first."
Okay, back to work for me!
12/22/2004 1:59pm, #12
Mostly Gi. 3 hours no gi on Tuesday, 3 hours Gi on Wednesday, 1.5 hours gi on Friday + Sunday. I only go on the Tuesday + Wednesday classes because I work on the weekends, but I answered for my school.
12/22/2004 2:25pm, #13
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- Jun 2004
The BJJ school does 3 night classes with the gi, 2 morning classes without. Saturday classes are usually gi but not always. I personally only get to the night classes, and despite my constant asking the instructor won't switch a night class to no gi. So I train that way at other schools/open mats when the opportunity is there. The weekly Judo class is always gi.Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
12/22/2004 3:10pm, #14
Originally Posted by 5FingazofDeath
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- Sep 2004
- Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Seriously though, my school offers about 4 no gi classes a week, although I practice it a little more than that. I think both work well and Eddie Bravo talks about how you need no gi to work your offense, but he agreed that gi works your defense well . Although his arguement is that a BJJ guy isnt worried about a wrestler submitting him in MMA-fair enough, but Im not exactly an expert sub grappler, so until my skills are that good, im training gi as well to work my sub defense.
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12/22/2004 3:13pm, #15
12/22/2004 3:22pm, #16Originally Posted by punchingdummy
I mostly would like to try gi grappling for collar chokes. In a self defense situation sleeves, pant legs and belts might change based on weather and what that person is wearing. But more likely than not (unless you are doing beach bjj as seems to be the fad) whoever you're fighting is going to be wearing a shirt. Even a t-shirt can be used for a half-assed collar choke.
12/22/2004 7:03pm, #17
Mostly gi, it's harder and makes your game tighter. The month or two leading up to a no-gi tourney like GQ people switch to no-gi, even those not competing.
12/22/2004 7:07pm, #18
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- Aug 2004
- St. Petersburg, Fl
- Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu
really gi grappling is harder on defense, easy on sub's.no gi is easy on, and hard on sub's.
now im not saying this **** is easier or harder todo, its just your options in gi graplling subs are endless, makin gthe defense hard to manage sometimes.Eduardo "Why'd you stop."
Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."
Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."
Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."
Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."
Originally posted by Ralek
My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
12/22/2004 7:50pm, #19
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- May 2004
- Least Cool Guy in all of Japan
My school is seasonal!
For the rest of the year, only tuesday nights is no gi. But from now until at least march, it's all no gi - partly due to the very hot weather, mainly due to the fact that the next 2 comps we are supposed to compete in are no-gi - Abhu Dhabi Trials and NSW BJJ 2005 (no gi.)
I just started to get into no-gi and I really enjoy it... looking forward to the comps.Imports from Japan, Shipping Worldwide! Art Junkie, Scramble, BJJ Spirits, Reversal...
12/22/2004 7:50pm, #20
Considering I am generally grappling with people better than I, no-gi is certainly easier for me. It's a lot easier to escape and there is less to get caught with anyway.
**** it train both. Most of us just do this for fun anyway.