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    Countering the Counter to the Arm Drag

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    Looking at what I have SEEN work, not what I can make work what I notice about the arm drag:


    Marcello Garcia uses it effectively with jumping to half guard. This ability is based off blinding speed.

    Wrestlers use the arm drag to get a better angle for leg attacks. I have seen some effective ankle picks after arm drags.

    Judoka use the armdrag to get an angle on the back/belt grip. There are some amazing sacrifice throws if you can get this angle.

    Dirty boxing will use the armdrag to 'pin' the arm between the opponents and set up a hook to the undefended side of the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    Looking at what I have SEEN work, not what I can make work what I notice about the arm drag:


    Marcello Garcia uses it effectively with jumping to half guard. This ability is based off blinding speed.

    Wrestlers use the arm drag to get a better angle for leg attacks. I have seen some effective ankle picks after arm drags.

    Judoka use the armdrag to get an angle on the back/belt grip. There are some amazing sacrifice throws if you can get this angle.

    Dirty boxing will use the armdrag to 'pin' the arm between the opponents and set up a hook to the undefended side of the head.

    Add to that using it to attack the blind side with strikes ala Kyokushin/Ashihara/Enshin karate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    Looking at what I have SEEN work, not what I can make work what I notice about the arm drag:


    Marcello Garcia uses it effectively with jumping to half guard. This ability is based off blinding speed.

    Wrestlers use the arm drag to get a better angle for leg attacks. I have seen some effective ankle picks after arm drags.

    Judoka use the armdrag to get an angle on the back/belt grip. There are some amazing sacrifice throws if you can get this angle.

    Dirty boxing will use the armdrag to 'pin' the arm between the opponents and set up a hook to the undefended side of the head.
    So is taking the back something that I'm only going to be able to pull off on intermediate and lower players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey
    So is taking the back something that I'm only going to be able to pull off on intermediate and lower players?
    Depends on the set-up, right?
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    Armdrag is my NUMBA WAN takedown setup (not that I am that great with takedowns, mind you). I am severely nearsighted so cold shots fail me. Using an armdrag, if succesful, I will clinch the waist and drop with tani otoshi. If instead they pull their arm back and suck their elbow to their chest, that gives me a small opportunity to single leg that side. Often it'll become a pickup single because i'm just that much of a *****.


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    Ohhhh a very good observation about the kyokush/enshin/ashihara armdrag version!

    This isn't technically an 'armdrag' IMHO, as it is an arm control. The fundamental principle of getting the angle, and closing your opponent off is indicative of the armdrag. But TO ME the idea behind the karate styles is circular force, where the grappling version is a linear entry.

    Let me explain this further to those who may not understand. In the karate version you grab your opponents upper sleeve. My personal preference is just above the elbow. You would use your left hand on thier right arm for example. You pull DOWN, and AROUND in front of you and force the arm into them. Forcing them to take a big step, breaking thier posture, keeping thier now lead arm down and swing them into you. This creates massive striking opportunities while controlling your opponent. IMHO this is the fucking shiznit of all mack daddy modern karate techniques in terms of practical applicability.

    In comparison with the grapplers version, they use a linear attack. They go almost straight in, then use another direct linear attack when they cut back in to get the leg. I don't see them going around thier opponent as much as into them, forcing thier opponent to turn thier back and then latching on.

    Hmmmm. Maybe the karate and grappling versions aren't that different after all...and of course I am using large generalizations.
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    Very interesting. I didn't know that karate guys did that, but it makes a lot of sense, in terms of setting up striking opportunities. Do "dirty" boxers approach this the same way (limitations of their gloves notwithstanding)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    Ohhhh a very good observation about the kyokush/enshin/ashihara armdrag version!

    This isn't technically an 'armdrag' IMHO, as it is an arm control. The fundamental principle of getting the angle, and closing your opponent off is indicative of the armdrag. But TO ME the idea behind the karate styles is circular force, where the grappling version is a linear entry.

    Let me explain this further to those who may not understand. In the karate version you grab your opponents upper sleeve. My personal preference is just above the elbow. You would use your left hand on thier right arm for example. You pull DOWN, and AROUND in front of you and force the arm into them. Forcing them to take a big step, breaking thier posture, keeping thier now lead arm down and swing them into you. This creates massive striking opportunities while controlling your opponent. IMHO this is the fucking shiznit of all mack daddy modern karate techniques in terms of practical applicability.

    In comparison with the grapplers version, they use a linear attack. They go almost straight in, then use another direct linear attack when they cut back in to get the leg. I don't see them going around thier opponent as much as into them, forcing thier opponent to turn thier back and then latching on.

    Hmmmm. Maybe the karate and grappling versions aren't that different after all...and of course I am using large generalizations.

    You forgot the shoulder control, but other than that, spot on.
    Also, because of the possibilites for counter-strikes from the opponent, linear control in less desireable.
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