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  1. Boyd is offline
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    Who gives a **** if they don't want to bow, your not them and they aren't you if they dont' want to bow then stfu about it.
    Ahh, but I AM them. Don't you know Carbon? A couple years back I was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder, so I created this message board to let all my personalities roam. I created a little world in which I am God and everyone--yourself included--are but my puppets. Now dance, bitch.

    Edited by - boyd on February 11 2003 20:48:12
    Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:

    1) I am STRAIGHT! I am STRAIGHT! Get it through your thick skulls, numbskulls!

    2) My name is not Ian Brandon Something.

    3) Kacey is coming with me now. I have stolen her from the other Christian Weston Chandler.

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    I thought Sensei meant something along the lines of "life goal" i.e they are what you should ascribe to be...
    We call instructors by first name. However, if they asked me to call them Sensei, I would, I guess. But I respect them a hell of a lot more for not requiring it.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    My point was that I just think it's refreshing how in BJJ and some other arts I've taken class in (KM and MT) they do away with all the traditions and formality and titles and just focus on self-defense, exercise, and competition.
    But we shouldn't forgetting the most important elements of training with someone: RESPECT and HUMILITY. When you're training with someone (NOT competing AGAINST them), you're basically etrusting that person with your safety and time, and implicitly agreeing that you're respecting each others' rights to train and progress as a student, NOT to go glory-seeking to inflate his own ego at your expense. This is important because if one person take advantage of this trust, no one really benefits.
    I've also had this happen more times than I care to remember, when some wanna-be who's seen one too many kung-fu movies, decides to lose control and act like Captain Bigshit with some fancy move or going ballistic to "prove" himself at your expense, instead of training sensibly with control and discipline, as equals, to IM-prove for mutual benefit.
    Likewise, during class they show no respect, but just act like undisciplined a-holes who only want to learn some fancy moves just to get an advantage over those who ARE disciplined.

    This is where BJJ pragmatism becomes dangerous: when "doing what works" becomes a justification for the end justifying the means.

    For this reason, I think that beginning and ending class with a reminder of this code of respect, isn't such a bad thing.
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    I just think it's stupid, in the year 2002 in America (where I live) for me as a 29 year old adult to be constantly bowing to some guy and calling him "master" or some stupid title while I'm paying him a lot of money to take self-defense from him.
    How is this really any different from saluting some guy and calling him "Sir" while living as his virtual slave, in order to learn defense in the Armed Forces? The principle is the same: you're learning something which can be dangerous or mis-used, and for this reason a code of strict honor, respect and discipline is required, for safety as well as to instill proper character and conduct.
    Likewise, I'm more inclined to be suspicious of any school which dispenses with these things out-of-hand; a good teacher takes responsibility for his students' safety and attitudes, he doesn't just let a baby play with fire.
    Sure, there are some schools who push form over content, but this is no excuse for unruliness or disrespect.
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    Dansevering: Becouse we r not Bowing doesn't mean that there is no RESPECT OR HUMILITY. It depends on the school i guess... But as i said in a Previous post we have alot of Respect for each other and always carefull not to hurt our oponent(so far we never had any serious injuries). There is always danger in Sparring that someone may Hurt his Oponent but that has nothing to do with Bowing.

    Anyway the thing is that some people "simply" don't LIKE TO BOW.
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    >Anyway the thing is that some people "simply" don't LIKE TO BOW.

    Then they simply don't attend a school where they have to.

    >I thought Sensei meant something along the lines of "life goal" i.e they are what you should ascribe to be...


    The Kanji can have differnt meaning for instance SEI means LIFE and STUDENT like in GAKUSEI (School student) and DAIGAKSEI (College student). SEN here means BEFORE of PRIOR thus sensei would read BEFORE THE STUDENT.

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    Got this from my jiu jitsu site

    You should rei...

    When entering or leaving the dojo
    when stepping on to, or leaving the mat
    Before and after training with your partner
    After an instructor has given some advice to you.


    When you rei onto the mat, it must be to the highest grade on the mat. This is a safety issue, not an ego trip. If the highest grade is a novice then a black belt must rei on to them. The instructor always needs to know who is on or off the mat. If there is no qualified instructor there, do not train.

    i think u must be a bit pathetic if u think bowing is degrading, in any martial art whilst training in ur dojo u have to have respect for the person ur fighting, its meant to be a friendly environment, with nobody boasting and trying to really hurt an opponent.

    if u have to rei and u dont want to, simply quit the school, go home and cry about it on here.

    I find bowing respectful as i have respect for everyone who is trying to learn, and those who are more learned than me.

    If their is no bowing, it aint the end of the world, its just ur martial art is losing its heritage
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    <Then they simply don't attend a school where they have to.>

    Agreed no-one said otherwise.

    Bowing is respectfull. The thing is sometimes somepeople think it's degrading, espesially when someone is trying to Force u to do it. I have seen many people "Bow" and show no respect at all. Someone should Bow when he Feels respect for the other Person not becouse he has to...
    Let me give u an example:
    A friend of mine (Trains in BJJ now) studied Traditional KARATE for at least 5 Years. He didn't like the Bowing stuff Very much...He says that: It's deferent Just shaking hands Before and after During the Sparring or Before and talking to your teacher like he is Your friend, than Getting in the School Bowing before entering the Dojo, Bowing to the Flag, Bowing to the Teacher and be afraid even to look at him.

    Not all Martial Arts r tought in the same way, which way is Better...??? Well i guess it depends on the person.
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