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  1. Dochter is offline

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    Maybe I'm over reacting, but, it seems that a number of people who will at times advocate crosstraining will then denegrate someone who trains in something like JKD or some karate style and also in a ground style like BJJ.

    All of the sudden this person is now no longer a member of their other art. This doesn't however happen when the striking art is MT. This seems like a bit of a double standard as none of the regular posters here ever claim that crosstraining is a bad thing.




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    No-one said crosstraining is Bad. But let me tell u somthing if u Go into a fight and defeat your oponent with deferent style than the One u say u r trained then something is Wrong! Im telling u this Guy is A Machado student Ask anyone. JKD has no ground Fighting Neither TKD. So if a fighter defeats his Oponent in a Pro-fight on the ground with an armbar and then says he is a TKD/JKD/Or Sumo fighter...Well something ain't Wright. Ok?
    Thats all im saying.

    But I have no problem With crosstraining. Take Wanderlei Silva for example. He is a Muay-Thai fighter and usually he tryes to Punch-out his oponents, but he also got a Purple Belt in BJJ.



    Edited by - greco on February 11 2003 03:33:23
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    This is really just a semantics argument but anyway:

    If asked what your style is you may just say what you've trained in longest or what you consider your base to be. This is not necessarily wrong, just a different way of looking at things. Additionally in your specific example JKD could very well be said to include groundfighting.




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    Dochter:"If asked what your style is you may just say what you've trained in longest or what you consider your base to be."

    In a way i agree...but let me give u an example of what im trying to say...
    My coach has trained 10 years In traditional Kung-Fu, 2 Years in TKD and 6 Years in BJJ. He says he is a BJJ Fighter and thats what he is teaching us, becouse he things that BJJ (For him) gave him more things in "some" ways than the other MA he studyed. Some People has deferent View of what they believe is their basic style.
    Me im Trained in Kick-B 2 Years and a Few months TKD and for the Last 2 Years BJJ, I consider myself a BJJer not a Kick-Boxer.
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    Then that'd be what I'd consider your core style. Just make sure you never hit anyone. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>




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    Blade,
    So if I kick with a roundhouse kick and its effective it is a Muay Thai kick, even though I've never had a day of MT. Interesting.

    As has been said on other threads there are only so many ways to throw a technique that make sense from a modern martial stand point.

    As for a guy having a kickboxing competing background, how does that violate the possibility of their using tkd or karate techniques in their fights? I'm pretty sure that's how American Kickboxing was started: TKD and Karate contests. Just because they didn't use some of the less applicable techniques doesn't change their core style or its name.

    K-1 (and the like)and NHB tourneys are VENUES not styles. Certainly these venues have illustrated what techniques are generally going to be effective and what training methods are superior but they don't magically change the name of a style.





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    His record ain't much! Also i saw a few of his pictures and he seems to be a Grappler a well.
    Also take a look at this guy: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=210

    This guy is a JKD practitioner and in one of his maches he defeated Frank Shamrock in the Desision in the remach Frank won.
    In the style it Says Jeet Kune Do but this Guy has trained and trains with the Machado Brothers(BJJ) Basically he won his most of his opponents with BJJ Subs.
    Greco don't take this the wrong way but this is about the most stupidest arguement I've ever heard. (I'm smiling here by the way. I'm not calling you stupid just this arguement). The premise of Jeet kune do is to defend yourself using the 5 basic ranges (this is dependent upon who you ask). If grappling is one of those ranges wouldn't you cross train with those who are experts in it. Come on where do you think Bruce Lee got all of his techniques he used in Jeet Kune Do? He went out and trained with various experts. Jeet Kune Do is the ultimate expression of cross training.



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    His record ain't much! Also i saw a few of his pictures and he seems to be a Grappler a well.
    Also take a look at this guy: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=210

    This guy is a JKD practitioner and in one of his maches he defeated Frank Shamrock in the Desision in the remach Frank won.
    In the style it Says Jeet Kune Do but this Guy has trained and trains with the Machado Brothers(BJJ) Basically he won his most of his opponents with BJJ Subs.
    Greco don't take this the wrong way but this is about the most stupidest arguement I've ever heard. (I'm smiling here by the way. I'm not calling you stupid just this arguement). The premise of Jeet kune do is to defend yourself using the 5 basic ranges (this is dependent upon who you ask). If grappling is one of those ranges wouldn't you cross train with those who are experts in it. Come on where do you think Bruce Lee got all of his techniques he used in Jeet Kune Do? He went out and trained with various experts. Jeet Kune Do is the ultimate expression of cross training.



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    "So if a fighter defeats his Oponent in a Pro-fight on the ground with an armbar and then says he is a TKD/JKD/Or Sumo fighter...Well something ain't Wright. Ok? Thats all im saying."

    Even if he knocked the guy down with a sidekick?
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