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    If you've read my previous thread, then you know that I'm big on practicality.

    Does anyone have something they can through out about what they teach, assuming they do, in militaries, in the States and/or around the world? I know virtually nothing so whatever anybody can throw (names, websites, techniques, etc.) out would be cool.

    Hell, while I'm at it, why not expand it to armed combat excluding guns and such. So knives, sticks, etc.



    Edited by - Ken Oh on February 08 2003 10:33:13

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    The US Military has an on going and ever evolving MA program right now. I am sad to say that the Marines have been taking the lead in developing a standard program and having it as part of regular training. Previously H2H training was done ONE day in basic then when you got to your unit you were on your own unless there was someone there willing to teach.

    I am in the ARMY and we are still working out a program as well. The first version was pretty much basic BJJ but there have been some drawbacks that have been pointed out so we are working on improving it. (I am a Combatives rep for my unit.)


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    I'm sorry, would that be US Army and you're currently posted in Germany?

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    Yes. I am a US Army soldier stationed in Germany.

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    http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/toc.htm

    Amazingly, it doesn't look too far removed from whats used a lot in MMA...

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    I'd say that stuff taught in armies CAN be useful, but it also can be complete and utter shite.

    For example, the Estonian army teaches bullshit knife techniques which they say "works 100%" yet I would probably cut them up if I wanted to. BS like putting two bare hands against an incoming strike.



    Edited by - Astra on February 08 2003 11:01:04

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    Either way, the stuff listed in what Nihilanthic posted is alot better than trying to knock someone out with a crane kick.

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    Very cool link! The unarmed hand-tohand looks like pretty straight forward BJJ technique to me as I browse through. In fact most of these techniques are pretty much identical BJJ techniques you see in Royce Gracie's book or the Renzo/Royler Gracie book. Their technique is very sound from a BJJ perspective, obviously they had some expert intstuction in preparing this.

    I wish I could print all this stuff out at once to check it out.

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    I was an NCO in the Army and honestly, I'd wager 90% of your average soldiers don't really know dick about fighting. The focus is, rightly, more on skill with the individual weapon and not hand to hand fighting.

    Hell, I've seen Ranger toughman competitions that looked like a pillowfight between two epileptics in a disco club. But to their credit, many Ranger "Bats" have hosted MMA fighters for seminars, including Royce Gracie.

    Special Forces, however, do tend to train more in martial arts. A few of the SF guys I knew trained in Kenpo primarily, and some Judo.

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    What's an NCO?

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