Except that you can buy lessons off of them on such subjects as self defense for children.
Originally Posted by KungFuDoesWork
You mean like Tiger Schulmann? Clearly some people from his school get quality MA training, but he's been found guilty of fraudulent contracts and we know he fired an instructor for being fat.
If you want to teach a small group in a park somewhere, thats fine. It doesn't reflect on quality. But if you teach in a nice facility on main street USA you better be a sound businessman. Because you will lose your shirt otherwise.
Personally, I always avoided the fancy schools on main street. I think that the problem is that it's those fancy shiny schools that tend to attract average people who don't want difficult training.
This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard you make. You're strawmanning here.
As to this matter that an insturctor SHOULD be this humble self depricating sort who basically just gives away what cost him time, sweat, and pain; I say bollocks. This sort of hand-out mentality is lazy. Like a MA welfare state. Back in the "day", if we are going to use the term, the student had to PROVE himself worthy to study with the teacher. That doesn't seem to exist now. Now its 'gimme everything you gotsimply 'cause I paid my monthly dues.
For one thing, I would point out that "gimmie everything you got 'caus I paid my monthly dues" dosen't usually mean "give me quality teaching and push me." It usually means "give me regular promotions to make me feel good and don't have contact sparring because I don't want to get hit." I can't imagine how you think that this site we're looking that is somehow antithetical to that.
I agree with you guys for the most part, but this is not an example of how things should work. And no, poidog, you should not have to resort to Bullshido just to make a living. You are confusing the terms. Being a McDojo (appealing to the masses to pay the bills) is one thing, but teaching useless garbage (aka Bullshido) is just ripping off the gullible.
Originally Posted by KungFuDoesWork
I'm not trying to go all religious, but the shoe definitely fits. Why teach bullshit martial arts? Are you doing what you love? Of course not. Why would you love taking people's money for a worthless "product", unless you were a greedy scumbag? Perhaps these people are lying to themselves.
Originally Posted by Matthew 16:26
You can have all kinds of kids classes, belts with stripes, wood-breaking, spin-kicks, cardio kickbox classes, etc. as long as you are upfront about it. As long as your students know that Tae-Bo won't mean jack in a fight, and you also teach solid, effective martial arts IN ADDITION to the other programs so that the more "Hardcore" students do not have to waste their time, you will keep your integrity and keep your school thriving.
- Revenue for the school.
- Something students want anyway.
- Not really going to harm students.
Certification through Video Course:
- Shameless profiteering.
- No quality control.
Last edited by bodar; 12/11/2004 5:39pm at .
Do we really know? First off, I will admit some bias since I trained at Tiger Schulmann's for 5 years. However, in the lawsuit-happy US of A, anyone can file suit because something didn't go their way. Hell, some dumb twat just sued Walmart for $75,000 because they sold her an Evanescence CD with cuss-words on it for her daughter and it was missing the PA label. 75 Fucking Thousand, just because a 13 yr old HEARD a NAUGHTY WORD! :BangHead: Sorry, I digress out of rage.
Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
Do you know this guy personally? If he was really fired for being fat, why would he have been made an instructor in the first place? The guy even says he has a hormone imbalance that makes him fat, so obviously he's been fat all along. I just think it's silly to say that "we know", when it hasn't been proven. If there's definitive proof, I'd like to see it as it would drastically change my opinion of Schulmann.
I think that this particular issue was actually discussed at length here. Unfortunately, now that the Search is broken, I don't know how we'd find the old thread....
Originally Posted by bodar
I personally think that the arts have changed quite a bit. I started back in the early 80's. Then people who took MA were into some ruff and tumble training and pure sweat. I went back to my old dojo last summer and my instructor has sinc retired and turned it over to a couple of his B/B (who were under me but since have been promoted way over me) they re up to 3rd dan and Im still shodan.. another story.... buutttt
They have gotten so weak and pathetic but their classes are filling up. It seems some yahoo opened a school across the street inna shopping mall and started little ninjas, after school programs all sorts of mcdojo stuff. Theres another guy who has a bunch of diffeent systems in one building. The head instructor calls himself a samurai (no **** for reals) He claims to be the only real samurai left in the world. My good buds ex student teaches for him. His classes are full. All these schools are full and milk toast.
My good friend who has been teaching steady for the last 25 years has a hard time getting students cuz his classes are to rough. Another guy in town who is a very good fighter and MA has very few students. We were talking the last time I was there and they said the students have changed. They arent going to McDojoise for anyone but its just what they were talking about. Im going to move back there in about 4 years and go in with my bud and try to open a buiding ect... Maybe we can get something going maybe not. I have a plan and going to include a lot of heavy bags ect which most of them dont. Anyway things sure have changed.
Oh yea he had one fat little lazy student, my boy beat the pissout of him in sparring (same age same rank) I told this kid he's going to have to quit playing video games, quit eating sweets and get out and ride his bike and get some excersize and loose weight if he wants to be competitive. Well the parents came jumped on my bud for me "hurting this porkers feelings" almost took him out of the school over it. But after talking to Jeff a while ago the parents have him on a diet and he is looseing weight.
All I have to say is He better be in shape this summer cuz Im gonna go back and bring my boy again. I'll start getting Johnny ready about 2 months before we go....
i hope they do just so i can make fun of them
Originally Posted by Reikon
normal people don't want to pay money to have someone kick their ass. of course the people on this board are not normal people
A friend of mine runs a karate school as his sole source of income. He hasn't changed what he teaches but he's using some of the NAPMA ideas to fill emtpy mat time. He teaches a Little Dragons and it helps pay the bills. He has a tai chi program but it's taught by a real tai chi person. He cringes at the idea of a black belt club as a black belt means something to him. NAPMA has a lot of good ideas but the problem is that they try to can them in ways that cheapen the arts.
Originally Posted by OC Kid
Wow, dude. What a story.
Someone should tell that "samurai" that the emperor of Japan ordered him to disband back in the 1800s. He should perform seppuku for disobeying the emperor.
martial arts is a business ... just like anything else ...
unless you have mad name recongnition ... in order to suceed you must attract and retain your customers some how ...
totoro-san ... world sushi munching champion ...
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