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    What's bunkai?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin69
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    yes the style is BUTOKUKAN it is a Northwest style, One of the oldest in the Northwest, located in washinton State and Vancouver Canada. To review the history of the system Please go to www.jabka.org

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    Oh BOLLOCKS. I forgot to hit Ctrl+V. The link's not there. Hold on while I hit the edit button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
    What's bunkai?
    Bunkai is form application.
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    So, sort of like applying a move from a kata to an RBSD drill?
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    hmmm, I trained karate for nearly..12/13 years before (with some of the best UK guys, O'neill/eneoda/Ohta/sherry etc)I had the same revelation...

    Personally I think it is all about 'tradition', its like the luddites in the industrial revolution, if the machines were used they lose their jobs, likewise if one day your karate teacher (say a 5th dan)said 'this is bullshit and doesnt work, lets try some MMA' he is admitting everything he has trained for for 20+ years is hokum, and where would that leave all the other instructors?

    shotokan particularly is all about big moves, you will spar in a traditional stance, because then in competition, you will throw full, long 'scoring' techniques, as opposed to short snappy punches which they tend not to even give wazari for.

    just my tuppence worth

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    I'm in the same boat as you, having been trained in Shotokahn for quite some time. Shotokahn is useful when you put it together with other martial arts and styles. My instructor was well aware of Shotokahn's limitiations but he also shows us ju-jitsu to cover everything up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity
    For a style where you hear 'logic' so eulogized (does this make you think of French revolutionary philosophy? Logic Not Tradition?), Shotokan adheres to what seems to be a lot of foolish tradition. I train in it myself and while I defend it against a lot of 'TMA bashers' I have to admit that some of them have a point. I have been told that my stance when sparring should be longer and looser, with the hands held further apart - I have developed the habit of standing like a MMA, contracted, with guard held high and close to the body - because it's the traditional one. I don't see the point of that, because the conventional stance leaves the face and some of the body open.

    I have also been told that I must not dodge or roll to the side when blocking during bunkai (see link below)
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ad.php?t=22664. I was told that the seniors could do this but I had to learn the basic, traditional moves before I could do the sophisticated stuff. How sophisticated is dodging, for ****'s sake?

    Now all of this is contradictory, because when we train for self defense, we drop the traditional stuff. We use a much shorter, contracted stance with the guard held high (oh ****, I'll just say it. LIKE A MMA!!!). So obviously, the latter is more effective. So where did the logic go, and what exactly is the objective of Shotokan training methods if you deliberately use something that is less effective than it could be? What is the psychology of these 'old schoolers'???

    Does anyone have an answer???
    So what's nemetic mean anyway? I don't know nor could I find the definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
    So, sort of like applying a move from a kata to an RBSD drill?
    Bunkai is the theory behind it. It's not usually drilled a lot.

    But yes, it is basically that. And every man and his dog tends to have a different interpretation of the same movement, most of which don't work.

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