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  1. Stold2 is offline

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    Eh, when did we get on the subject of TMA? JKD is anything but a TMA.

    I have fought several 'wrestlers' in my time. I don't know what style they used, all I know is they tried to take me to the ground. And as they tried they took several punches, elbows and knees to their noses, jaws, necks and ribs...

    What I mean is, there are rules. And I know some people will of course tell me that "PEEPLE TAHT CLAIM THERE ARTS R TO DEADLEY FOR SPORTS YUSE R STUOOPID." But lets face the facts:

    Butting with the head.
    Eye gouging of any kind.
    Biting.
    Hair pulling.
    Fish hooking.
    Groin attacks of any kind.
    Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
    Small joint manipulation.
    Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
    Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
    Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
    Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
    Grabbing the clavicle.
    Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
    Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
    Stomping a grounded opponent.
    Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
    Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
    Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
    Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
    Spitting at an opponent.
    Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
    Holding the ropes or the fence.
    Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
    Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
    Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
    Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
    Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
    Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
    Interference by the corner.
    Throwing in the towel during competition.

    That's weird. I see lots of rules restricting strikes, but none restricting grapple techniques? Considering the fact that I use many of those restricted techniques...And what is with this GODDAMN FENCED OCTOGON?
    It's alright for someone to be pinned against it, but they can't grab or pull on it? Bleah.
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    Posted On:
    2/06/2003 2:29am

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    "Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent"

    That, at least, disadvantages grapplers. One problem is that almost all of those "techniques" can not only advantage grapplers, some of them represent serious injuries that wouldn't necessarily have much role in a fight. If you're fighting to clinch that finger lock, you might breaka finger, but there's a good chance you're going to get pummeled. So some things make MORE sense to be restricted.

    **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    Hm. Well, the way I see it, if the fighter wants to try and finger lock then break he is welcome to try. I mean, it wouldn't be real fighting if he wasn't, eh? lol I'd probably tap out if someone was about to snap my thumb.
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    "Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent."

    Like fighting?
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    stold2: If u fight with someone with no rules and u try to Elbow him or break his Nose and stuff, then if He gets a hold in an arm or leg he is going to break it he wont Stop. Anyway if u think JKD is the Best fighting Art in the PLANET then JUST PROVE it man! The BJJ fighters proved that their system works, the Thai-Boxers proved they r afective along with the kick-boxers, the sambo fighters and Wrestlers also, and the Shootfighters. Lets see how strong JKD IS! Try Joining the next IVC is the most Vicius NHB in the world with less rules than the other tournaments.

    It's your funeral man! Send me a picture from the hospital.
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    2/06/2003 2:48am


     

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    #1 I don't do JKD.

    #2 I don't have the time nor the resources to train for an event. Even if I did your godly wrestling crap I would still lose. All that proves is the person behind the art matters most.

    #3 The point that someone would break your arm in a real fight is irrelevant. It's like saying someone would strike you till you died or fell unconscious in a real fight.
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    stold2:
    #1 I don't do JKD.
    #2 I don't have the time nor the resources to train for an event. Even if I did your godly wrestling crap I would still lose. All that proves is the person behind the art matters most.

    Then why the F$%# im even having these conversation!
    U don't do JKD...
    It seems u don't like Grappling...
    Do U EVEN LIKE MARTIAL ARTS?
    R u trained in Any MA?
    I mean...What the Hell...
    Your OPINION is BASED in DREAMS???
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    2/06/2003 3:11am


     

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    You want a very very simple expression for JKD? MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. Taking the useful crap from other styles and rejecting the useless crap. It will always rein above, even above your BJJ.

    Let's see here. Look on the list of rules. Does your BJJ dojo train you to apply any of those restricted strikes? I really don't know, hence why I am asking. If it doesn't...Well..You think that's a coincidence?

    I am trained in wrestling and Wing Chun. To an extent anyways.
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    2/06/2003 3:22am


     

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    Man if how can you train in applying restricted strikes to your training Partener without injuring him? No MA does that. Yes we have seen how restricted strikes works but we do not train them in a Living Person. Im not only trained in BJJ.
    And the answer is YES we have trained and talked many times about tehniques on your list, Such as:
    Butting with the head.
    Eye gouging of any kind.
    Biting.
    Hair pulling.
    Groin attacks of any kind.
    Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
    Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
    Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
    Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
    Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
    Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
    Stomping a grounded opponent.
    Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
    Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
    Also ear pulling.

    But all these tehniques are not actually used during sparring in order to avoid injury!
    DON'T TELL ME YOU R TRAINING IN THESE TEHNIQUES WITHOUT GETTING INJURED????.

    Im realy trying to see the Point of these conversation? Maybe im mising something?
    Dawn my English r getting rusty S*t!!!....
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    Posted On:
    2/06/2003 3:31am


     

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    A small amount of protective gear goes a LONG way. Mainly just closed cell headgear, a mouth piece, VERY light cloth gloves and neck padding.

    Of course, dropping the point of your elbow into someone's spine or neck is never going to be done at full force, but hard enough to let the person getting hit know that they are vulnerable.

    We do pinches as well...Though we don't get into the position to practice them that much unless we are on on the ground.

    Striking eye gouges are silly and a waste IMO, but putting pressure with your thumb on someone's eye we do encorporate.

    Small finger joint locks..If you find a way to pull it off without getting punched multiple times in the neck, be my guest.

    I dunno the point...I just felt like arguing about BJJ and the UFC.
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