Posted On:11/30/2004 5:30pm
Style: Wado Kai
Okay, so I tore my ACL when I was 18 and had surgery to fix it up. The bastard who fixed me told me I would never be able to kickbox again, so I believed him...for 14 years.
I started again in Karate at the young age of 32, and nearly died, but my leg seemed to be holding out okay until a year ago. It went out, swelled up, and I limped around for a month. Then it was fine...until three months ago. It's now gone out twice more, including once when I was sleeping (don't ask).
So, being that we have the wonderful universal Health Care system in Canada we like to rave about, I go see a diagnostician on Dec 16 (it's taken 3 months to get here. After this, I get to wait another 4 for the orthopod I KNOW I need). I'm pretty sure I've blown out my ACL, if not totally, pretty damn close.
I googled ACL Injuries+Martial Arts, and found a number of great websites chock full of information, most of which scared the hell out of me.
Bottom line: 7-10 weeks of physio, followed by months of gym training. The sites tell me 9 months to a year away from the dojo. After that, though, I should be better than ever.
Does anyone here know anything about ACL injuries? Anybody have any GOOD news? :BangHead:
Posted On:11/30/2004 5:34pm
Just more info on the ACL with regards to martial arts:
Posted On:11/30/2004 6:02pm
That was good info. Thanks for putting it up here.
Posted On:11/30/2004 11:51pm
Style: Muay Thai, Kenjutsu
That's one of my biggest fears. I know a couple of people who have had them, and I know this is going to sound funny, but one of my dogs has had 3 of them. The last time we actually paid to have a TPL, Tibial Plateau Levelling, its what the Detroit Red Wings Steve Yzerman had. That's where they break the bone, rotate the joint to change the geometry, and then fuse things back together. They recommend this when you're constantly reinjuring your ACL, because of an anomaly in your skeletal geometry. I really hope things heal quickly for you. Good luck!
Posted On:12/01/2004 1:06pm
Thanks. Somehow it's comforting to know that there are a variety of procedures out there. I'm pretty sure I know which one I want, but I'll let the doctors tell me what they recommend.
The biggest frustration at this point is all the waiting. Say what you want about HMO's, I know in the US, I'd be able to get in to see the specialists quicker.
Too sick and broken to train
Posted On:12/01/2004 5:17pm
But, if you were in the US without fairly good insurance, you wouldn't even get to see the specialist if you couldn't pay through the ass.
I don't know about ACL's, but I tore my MCL in a riding accident a few years ago. There isn't any good news when it comes to knee injuries. According to everything that I read and asked, just about anything will heal fully with proper therapy and time. Sometimes some serious time, but it beats ending up with something chronic.
You're just JEALOUS!
Posted On:12/01/2004 5:27pm
Paying through my ass sounds painful. I thought you guys all had private HMO insurance?
Acupuncturist / Anesthesia Student
Posted On:12/01/2004 6:34pm
Style: Mostly weights now...
acupuncture may help, although with serious musculoskeletal stuff, sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. sometimes it helps a person avoid surgery, but if the damage is severe, we probably can't touch it.
acupuncture should help with the rehab though, if you have to get surgery.
Posted On:12/01/2004 7:21pm
Knee injuries heal pretty slowly because it's not an area that gets a lot of blood. The easy way to tell if your ACL is busted is to do a drawer test, (http://www.fpnotebook.com/ORT86.htm) which is essentially when you bend the knee so that the upper leg is perpendicular to the lower leg, and try to pull the lower leg forward or backward. Because the ACL is supposed to stabilize that kind of motion (look at where it's attatched), if you can do it (IE: If you can pull your tibia out in front of the knee), you've got trouble. A busted ACL is pretty bad, and knee injury does eventually tend to lead to osteoarthritis and you having to get a brand new knee, so try not to put it off.
A friend of mine in my Judo class busted his, and he was out of the dojo for 6 months straight. Now he's back and whipping my ass (but he still has to be careful of the knee). He's 39, too, so if you're younger, you'll heal better. Also if you're very athletic, etc., that sort of thing, you'll heal faster.
Knee injuries suck. Good luck, man.
Posted On:12/01/2004 7:32pm
Paying out the ass? That's a horrid analogy. Er....comparison I mean.
*Cough* Paging Dr. Freud.
Hope this helps.
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