Those two throws also exist outside of the judo system, being as they are vanilla hip and shoulder throws.
I heard Chuck on a talk radio show (the Laura Ingraham show) just a few weeks ago. She asked him how he got started in Karate and he said that he was actually in Judo first, but when he was in the Air Force and was sent to Korea, they were teaching TKD there, so that was his only option. If I'm not mistaken, he also said he still trains Judo.
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