Posted On:11/30/2004 10:28pm
Style: Chop Socky
I've done fairly well, as a vegetarian, on whey shots; one or two a day sets me fine. I eat a lot of cheese/yogurt, and eat eggs a few times a week. Ignore BS about soy lowering your testosterone, it has been demonstrated to be false, so tofu is good too if you get it prepared well. Red beans and rice is also good, prepared without the burnt ends.
I would liken it to the boxing or the muay thai of internal kung fu, even though that's like calling apples the oranges of the apple world. --WalkOn
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Posted On:11/30/2004 11:00pm
Style: Chemical Assistance
Where is it demonstrated false?
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Posted On:12/01/2004 8:21am
Style: Canadian Shidokan
Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master
1 lb a month is pretty low. 8-10 lbs per month is extremely unrealistically high. We usually estimate that with good nutrition and proper training, it's reasonable for a male to expect 1 lb of muscle gain per week.
True, a pound of muscle a month is low, but attainable by all, without worrying about how much fat is being added too.
While I am sure some can put on 1lb per week, for the first 6-8 weeks ( hince why all those weight challenges and fitness challenges only last 6 to 8 weeks), after that, I don't see the majority of people mainting that.
That would make it a 52 lb gain of pure muscle in one year.
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Posted On:12/01/2004 9:12am
Style: Krav / (Kick)Boxing / BJJ
Originally Posted by AkiraMusashi
Where is it demonstrated false?
I agree. Except for a link to a discussion at UIUC.edu, there's more indication that testosterone gets lowered. In fact, it's this lowering effect that apparently helps prevent prostate cancer, since apparently, that form of cancer is linked to higher levels.
Posted On:12/01/2004 10:13am
Authors: Habito RC, Montalto J, Leslie E, Ball MJ
Published in: Br J Nutr, 84(4): 557-63 2000
A randomised crossover dietary intervention study was performed to evaluate the effects of replacing meat protein in the diet with a soyabean product, tofu, on blood concentrations of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, androstanediol glucuronide, oestradiol, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), and the free androgen index (total testosterone concentration/SHBG concentration x 100; FAI). Forty-two healthy adult males aged 35-62 years were studied. Diets were isoenergetic, with either 150 g lean meat or 290 g tofu daily providing an equivalent amount of macronutrients, with only the source of protein differing between the two diets. Each diet lasted for 4 weeks, with a 2-week interval between interventions. Fasting blood samples were taken between 07.00 and 09.30 hours. Urinary excretion of genistein and daidzein was significantly higher after the tofu diet (P < 0.001). Blood concentrations of sex hormones did not differ after the two diets, but the mean testosterone:oestradiol value was 10% higher (P = 0.06) after the meat diet. SHBG was 3% higher (P = 0.07), whereas the FAI was 7% lower (P = 0.06), after the tofu diet compared with the meat diet. There was a significant correlation between the difference in SHBG and testosterone:oestradiol and weight change. Adjusting for weight change revealed SHBG to be 8.8% higher on the tofu diet (mean difference 3 (95% CI 0.7, 5.2) nmol/l; P = 0.01) and testosterone:oestradiol to be significantly lower, P = 0.049). Thus, replacement of meat protein with soyabean protein, as tofu, may have a minor effect on biologically-active sex hormones, which could influence prostate cancer risk. However, other factors or mechanisms may also be responsible for the different incidence rates in men on different diets.
The doctor in that interview statest that it can cause birth defects, the emasculation of developing males and hypothyroidism.
Posted On:12/01/2004 10:18am
Posted On:12/02/2004 2:30am
Style: Judo, Jujitsu
Actually, most neophytes don't put on as much muscle in the beginning. Their bodies are too worried about getting the movement patterns embedded into the CNS. That, and you don't want to be subjecting a neophyte to truly hypertrophic modes of exercising.
Maintaining that muscle gain can be done for a long time. Yes, you'll eventually come to plateaus and eventually the physiological limit. But with intelligent training and intelligent program alteration when plateaus are reached (this includes diet), it can be done for a good long time.
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