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  1. serious harm is offline
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    The fact so many seperate styles are related

    Many seperate arts are related, I think this is a fact. Shaolin, eagle claw, and baji appear to contain many of the same techniques and strategies. Taiji even contains some of the same techniques. I find it unlikely to be a coincidence.

    http://www.wutang.org/styles/demo/baji_film.wmv

    http://www.kungfuusa.com/video/movie.html

    http://www.wongkk.com/general/videos.html

    So over many styles it can be seen that they are in fact connected it would appear and there is no coincidence about it.

    http://www.chentaichi.org/hunyuan/Vi...andra03Web.mov
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    It would appear some here are interested in these styles or train in them. The best use of these baji, and shaolin techniques I've seen, is on the video Attacking Lion by AL COlangelo. At the beggining intro, it shows an old black and white video of an IMA form being done by a chinese guy. I wasn't sure what exact style it was, but it appears to contain baji elements. It was ####ing good! The internal wave motion and power is able to be seen on the video . So I think all this talk recently of internal body method being totally different seperate and uncompatible with the internal is totally wrong. The classification is wrong. It has also been shown much of BAguazhang comes from Shaolin styles. I am not saying there is no internal body method, balance, internal leverage, manipulation, power, qi, etc. But that it is not exclusive to IMA. You may say, I know dozens of externalists who said bagua was totally different. Their acounts do not count for anything. Because they do not confirm anything. It shows that only at their level and what they knew, it is different. They judge by what they know, but can't judge by standards of what is above them. It can be proven by the attacking lion video, it contains external martial arts with true internal body method, or at least I do not think it is pure IMA, on a black and white old video by a chinese guy. If you are poor though, it may be a little expensive, I don't know, blows away any baji clip on the internet.


    HEre's another kinda cool video which shows the strong shuai chiao and grappling component in IMA

    http://homepage.mac.com/robertstover...heater22.html#

    Schuai chiao-

    http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/vide...g_xing_jin.WMV

    http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/Chang_sc_3.WMV
    Last edited by serious harm; 11/27/2004 9:51pm at .
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    11/27/2004 6:05pm


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    Then there is the internal qi development. I think there is no doubt that the Shaolin Lohan exercises are from Yoga. The Yogic and Taoist body methods can share much in common too-

    http://wongkk.com/chikung/lohan.html

    http://www.yoga-tibet.com/index.html

    http://www.atlantis.to/Products/about-tibetan-yoga.htm
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    Legend has it, and most Xingyi practitioners accept that Xingyi was developed in part out of eagle Claw, by Yue Fei .
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    I think thats the thing with alot of kung fu styles. Either they appear to be like choy lay fut/ hung gar or they appear more like wing chun/ pak mei etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious harm
    It would appear some here are interested in these styles or train in them. The best use of these baji, and shaolin techniques I've seen, is on the video Attacking Lion by AL COlangelo. At the beggining intro, it shows an old black and white video of an IMA form being done by a chinese guy. I wasn't sure what exact style it was, but it appears to contain baji elements. It was ####ing good! The internal wave motion and power is able to be seen on the video . So I think all this talk recently of internal body method being totally different seperate and uncompatible with the internal is totally wrong. The classification is wrong. It has also been shown much of BAguazhang comes from Shaolin styles. I am not saying there is no internal body method, balance, internal leverage, manipulation, power, qi, etc. But that it is not exclusive to IMA. You may say, I know dozens of externalists who said bagua was totally different. Their acounts do not count for anything. Because they do not confirm anything. It shows that only at their level and what they knew, it is different. They judge by what they know, but can't judge by standards of what is above them. It can be proven by the attacking lion video, it contains external martial arts with true internal body method, or at least I do not think it is pure IMA, on a black and white old video by a chinese guy. If you are poor though, it may be a little expensive, I don't know, blows away any baji clip on the internet.


    HEre's another kinda cool video which shows the strong shuai chiao and grappling component in IMA

    http://homepage.mac.com/robertstover...heater22.html#

    Schuai chiao-

    http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/vide...g_xing_jin.WMV

    http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/Chang_sc_3.WMV

    i laugh at you.
    Eduardo "Why'd you stop."

    Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."

    Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."

    Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."

    Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."


    Originally posted by Ralek
    My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
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     Style: Ex-TKD, BJJ, Muay Thai

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    They all share techniques because humans are all basically the same: two arms, two legs, etc. Only so much you can do with the equipment.
    sudo make me a sandwich!
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    guys, i think seriuos harm was just talking to himself here, i see no need to respond.
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    I think I might start putting him on ignore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickx
    It must suck for legit practitioners of tai chi like Cullion to see their art get all watered down into exercise for seniors.
    Those who esteme qi have no strength. ~ Exposition of Insights into the Thirteen Postures Attrib: Wu Yuxiang founder of Wu style tai chi.
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    Posted On:
    11/28/2004 12:11pm


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    I already stated this is no mere coincidence. I don't see these techniques in BJJ, wrestling, or non chinese styles. Coincidence? Because they are all human? Yeah right lol.

    If you are interested in Baji, check out Al Colangelo and his tapes.
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