Thread: Failing as an Instructor
11/24/2004 3:26pm, #11
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I like that quote. I guess I can bastardize a part of it and say....
That if you wants students to represent you and your knowledge and carry on your name when you pass then If your name is equal to being cookie cutter milk toast bitch then you can do what Graden is saying..
But if you want your name spoken with respect and honor go for quality not quanity you follow your heart and do what is best for the students.
I guess its all about the squilla to some folks. Ive read where Graden has said Only white to Black Belt matter nothing in between. So you can make up as many belt ranks as you want and charge the hell out of the students for testing and test them every month or so after all it doesnt matter til they make B/B make them think they are really learning to defend themselves give themm a false sense of pride
...... Kind of like a McDojo..drive up in your Yugo talk to the Sensei in the box and say..."yea Uh Id like a black belt with cheese hold the knowledge and the dedication and could you add a couple of stripes on the side" any thing for you honny..Oh yea could get my wife one to and hold the stripes.....
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11/24/2004 3:32pm, #12
In order to be consider a "master" in a field like plumbing or carpentry you have to be in it for what - like 6 years? Or is it 8? Anyway a black belt should be the master of the art right? So you would think that it would take longer than that if your only practicing for 4 hours a week as opposed to 40 hours a week.
A black belt shouldnt be for hobbyists, or soccer moms, or anyone else who doesnt want to put in the time and work for it. It should be only for the people who seriously dedicate themselves to their arts.
11/24/2004 3:33pm, #13
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My whole thing is the fact that he puts so much emphasize on the black belt. Why should you consider yourself a good instructor if you have 20 black belts as opposed to two black belts. I would rather have 20 quality low belts that make other instructors come up to you and say "Damn, your low rank student would wipe the floor with my black belt student, why isn't he a black belt yet?"
11/24/2004 3:34pm, #14
Originally Posted by ronin69"Quiet fool before I am kicking the butt!"
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11/24/2004 3:50pm, #15
Originally Posted by TylerDurden
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Rodrigo is no Bullshido, though less well known than his teachers. Go to www.submissionjiujitsu.com for info on his school and competition team.
BTW - I don't study at his school, though I've had the chance to attend some of his seminars. Others have told me that his blue belts and above are among the best they've seen. In 2002 I watched one of his blue belts spank a Carlson Gracie brown belt in an exhibition match at the Midwest Submission Grappling Championships, a NAGA event. He's a great teacher and demanding trainer.
High standards? You bet!
11/24/2004 6:17pm, #16
Geeze, I'm sorry but I have to disagree, absolutely, with everyone here.
But before I give you my reasons, here is my teaching background:
Ph.D Aerospace Engineering, Cornell University (3.5 years)
NASA Senior Research Engineer (8 years)
University Engineering Professor, 10 years
Graduated 1 Ph.D student, 15 M.Sc. Students
Instructor to over 2,000 B.Sc. Students
Muay Thai, 3.5 years, beginner level instructor (conditioning and basic drills, slightly above the soccer mom level)
Father, 5 month old son
In all cases, it is not my job is to shape students, or my son, into living images of myself. As an instructor, as a parent, it is my job to help my students, help my son, obtain the tools that will allow them to reach the next levels in their lifes, the next levels in their training.
If you are an instructor, if you are a teacher, your success is measured by the students that you've graduated, by the students who's lives you've touched, enriched and encouraged.
If you're a teacher, and you've only graduated a couple of black belts in your career, what the hell have you been doing? I assume we're not talking about something like a 5th degree black belt, which yes, might be equivalent to a Ph.D. But a 1st degree black belt should be equivalent to a M.Sc., someone capable of instructing beginners. Are you all telling me that its okay for someone to have run a school for some 20 odd years, and to have only produced one or two people who are competent enough to teach a class of beginners???? That's outrageous! That is really Bullshido!
If you're not graduating students because you really believe you're maintaining a high quality standard, then you're teaching something that is totally useless, something so totally specialize and esoteric that can never really be tested, used and refined by anyone else.
Students graduate from West Point, University, from yes, NASA's Astronaut Program, because there is something useful to be done with this education, because these students are learning skills that will be tested, refined and applied, later on. Not because they've pleased their instructors with enough ass kissing and financial support to be finally released from their eternally subservient positions.
If you're not awarding your very best students a back belt, students that have been training with you for many, many years, acknowledging that they are competent enough to train beginners for christ sake!, than you're either holding them back for selfish reasons, financial, political or otherwise, or you're just a really lousy teacher, because your best students must really suck.
Did I piss all of you guys off with this? I hope so. Because your students, the students that sweat and bleed and take valuable time out of their lives to learn something from you, to support your dreams of furthering your MA, deserve better that this.
11/24/2004 6:25pm, #17If you're not awarding your very best students a back belt, students that have been training with you for many, many years, acknowledging that they are competent enough to train beginners for christ sake!, than you're either holding them back for selfish reasons, financial, political or otherwise, or you're just a really lousy teacher, because your best students must really suck.
The truth is that people earn a black belt in only a few short years, sometimes 2 years or less, while training 2 hours a week. Thats a very horrible standard to have and its almost the absolute rule today.
If your students HAVE been training for years and years I would agree with you, but the color of cloth around your waist has very little to do with your ability or the reasons behind training."All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC
Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
11/24/2004 6:27pm, #18
John Graden also worked for NAPMA and was one of NAPMA's "founding fathers".
Now NAPMA can help schools to run in a more professional way, but since this industry is TOTALLY unregulated it can also allow terrible instructors to teach like they have a wealth of iformation when in reality all they're doing is following a sales pitch and someone elses curriculum like a robot."All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC
Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
11/24/2004 6:32pm, #19
This is a really good thread.
I cannot believe people are sent that, generation or lack of generation of black belts has nothing to do with success of an instructor.
Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey
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11/24/2004 6:42pm, #20Originally Posted by PeedeeShaolin