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Posted On:
4/11/2007 9:55pm
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Hmmm. Unless I misunderstood this, the article said that they're basically offering MMA classes on the internet, and in a manner that is geared toward instant gratification rather than serious training. Sounds exactly like a mcdojo to me. I don't have time to actually check out the website, so I could be wrong.
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Posted On:
4/11/2007 10:06pm--
I got sucked into the black heart of the site for about 45 minutes earlier .
Originally Posted by kwoww
I was offended and cried a little on the inside as I read the site . For a large sum of money I can apparently get very detailed instructions on how to act like a Martial Arts instructor and even what I should be teaching and how to teach it so that I can build wealth for my family .
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Posted On:
4/11/2007 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by kwoww
No, this is how to SELL the idea of MMA to folks and recruit them for classes in that direction.
NAPMA and John Graden basically take popular, successful business models and apply them to martial arts.
Just because you're a great street fighter, a really technical BJJ practicioner, hold multiple black belts, or are a national champion from Asia doesn't mean that you know how to teach, recruit new students, or keep the ones you have. I know that from personal experience. Especially in a city with alot of choices for training, even a small increase in rent (passed on to your students' monthly rate) can 'kill' your school. So can catastrophic events, like Hurricane Katrina or 9/11. Or if your city decides to close the street in front of your school to build a light-rail project that will take 10-15 years to complete.
NAPMA teaches the psychology and methodology of how to be a successful school operator. You have to know about insurance, paying business and occupations taxes quarterly, finding deductions at the end of the year, keeping your business license current, how market yourself effectively, dealing with over-bearing parents, dealing with your neighbors, etc. Don't think that the Gracies, Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do 'family', Kyokushin-Kai, etc, etc didn't seek out folks who know about business and marketing to help them get started. The UFC was initially a just marketing scheme to promote Gracie Jujitsu: the Gracie Challenge, a successful marketing scheme they used for years in Brazil, presented in front of a larger audience. :eusa_snoo
Nationally, only 5% of the schools that open each year, regardless of style or training focus, stay open for a year or more. :suicide:
Give the mc dojo's in your town credit for going against this trend, even if they are selling snake oil and stupidity. :icon_bigs :laughing6 -
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Posted On:
4/12/2007 8:26am
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You're right. But you're also wrong.
Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
You're right, because as a consumer you're not getting what you think you paid for: quality instruction. But you're also wrong, because the underlying essence of all business is opportunism or "seizing the moment" to maximize profit by any means necessary. Sad, but true. This is the problem, as applied to martial arts, that gave birth to this site, right?
It is rare that the words "business" and "ethics" appear in the same sentence, since the majority of the most successful business models are based upon deception to some degree. I learned this as a personal trainer working in a big, corporate-owned health club. We were given a script to memorize and recite to potential clients (under pain of being fired), plus a set of answers for if they weren't going for it; not much different than selling Amway, used cars, or real estate.
Yeah, it's messed up; but if we left potential clients to their own devices, they would realize that losing weight or learning something new requires major changes in mentality and lifestyle, and they would leave,...and we would starve. "Too much work! I want results NOW!", they would exclaim. Fitness (or martial arts) isn't like sitting in a chair and getting your haircut, getting your nails done, or getting a tattoo, despite what some folks may tell you.
What's even worse is that the scripts ("overcoming objections", and "closing techniques") actually work 60% of the time, if you can keep a straight face and present yourself as 'believable'!
I no longer work in a health club chain, since I can't help but tell the public (and management) the truth: "fitness requires work, and if you want me to help you know that only the serious need apply", "I do not work for free, my people did for over 400 years, and I refuse to repeat that history", "most of the supplements on the market do nothing but drain your bank account (and may even make you sick)", and "I'm still paying off student loans, a good education costs money, so pay...or stay away!" -
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The videos on that site. Wow.
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