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    Psychology is old news. Neuroscience is actually able to provide the answers the field is looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandeissansoo
    Psychology is old news. Neuroscience is actually able to provide the answers the field is looking for.
    Psychology has always accepted neuroscience as having answers. The earliest psychological experiments included removing specific portions of brains from animals and seeing how they behaved. They found out that the cerebral cortex had a factor in emotional regulation. When it was removed in cats, the cats frequently flew into an angry fit; what is now called "sham rage"

    It's a discipline which complements psychology. However, neuroscience likely couldn't answer more abstract issues such as "what factors and circumstances make someone more obedient?" or "why did the Kitty Genovese incident occur (see boondock saints or google it)"?
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    For example, in the wake of WWII, people wondered how the Germans could have done the awful things they did. Milgram comes along with his obedience study and BAM! 63% of everyday American men are giving a "learner" electrical shocks that would cause severe pain or death.
    For the record, I have a degree in psychology. Did you ever see the video of the test subjects in the Milgram experiment? It is funny as hell! At least one guy laughs every time he "shocks" the "subject". You just can't run tests like that today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Mantis
    For the record, I have a degree in psychology. Did you ever see the video of the test subjects in the Milgram experiment? It is funny as hell! At least one guy laughs every time he "shocks" the "subject". You just can't run tests like that today.
    I've seen portions on Phillip Zimbardo's short-lived PBS series on psychology.

    I saw the nervous laughter one. Apparently, at least one person started having convulsions and seizures under the strain.

    Most frequently, you see the guys rubbing their mouth and cheek in nervousness. Especially when the learner starts complaining of heart conditions and starts screaming for like 5 seconds straight with the shock.

    What's more genuinely funny is the Asch conformity experiement where people are giving blatantly wrong answers to questions, and the participant lies to fit in with the group consensus. That's hilarious cause they have some skinny dweeb there with a pocket protector and glasses who gets a "WTF" look when people give the wrong answers.
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    There is two kinds of psychologists imo:

    a) Those who wanted to rule the world (in a Fu Manchu-Spectra-etc. sense) but lack the skills or cojones then became organizational oriented psychologists (example: HHRR managers).

    b) Those who have some mental issues themselves (they are somewhat nuts), and look to work with people who are worse than them to look themselves sane.(example: health oriented psichologists).
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    Quote Originally Posted by samurai_steve
    Psychology has always accepted neuroscience as having answers. The earliest psychological experiments included removing specific portions of brains from animals and seeing how they behaved. They found out that the cerebral cortex had a factor in emotional regulation. When it was removed in cats, the cats frequently flew into an angry fit; what is now called "sham rage"

    It's a discipline which complements psychology. However, neuroscience likely couldn't answer more abstract issues such as "what factors and circumstances make someone more obedient?" or "why did the Kitty Genovese incident occur (see boondock saints or google it)"?
    I would say that psychology lacks the tools to give such an answer, but neuroscience does not. Neurome + proteosome + neural network building = an in silico model organism (and one of the most powerful systems known to science). Naturally, these tools are not quite available yet, but I think they will be within my lifetime.

    I would say that psychology is now a subset of neuroscience. Their(psychologists') methods lack the resolution to give any useful new information about brain function.
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