Thread: MUAY THAI & MUSCLE MASS?
11/18/2004 9:37am, #1
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- Oct 2004
MUAY THAI & MUSCLE MASS?
Recently I joined a muay thai gym. Its occured to me that trying to retain/build muscle mass with the type of insane cardio needed for this sport is almost impossible. Am I right? Or can an even balance be attained without compromising my training time in the muay thai gym?
11/18/2004 9:46am, #2
It depends on your body type. Cardio and endurance training tends to against the muscle building process but alot fo people are able to have great cardio and still have a very solid strength training program to back them up.
I wouldnt say its impossible for you, but you're going to have to put alot of training time in and unless you want to go pro theres really not that much benefit to training like a pro."All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC
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11/18/2004 10:26am, #3
Crossfit which has equally high cardio levels combined with weight training claims to cause muscle growth at a higher rate then body building.
I dont know how true that is but a lot of people on this board (my self included) really rate them.
Bottom line is if you eat enough proten, fats and carbs and keep stressing your muscles and giving them time to recover then they'll get stronger, maybe not at an optimum rate but they'll improve.
Originally Posted by crossfit
Originally Posted by Stickx
11/18/2004 4:00pm, #4
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If you are a true ectomorph like me then it will not be possible to make good gains in muscle mass from weight training while training MT. You simply cant weight train effectively and recover properly. However you can maintain.
The MT definately keeps you lean.
11/18/2004 4:15pm, #5
11/18/2004 4:36pm, #6
well look at k-1 fighters, in max they tend to be fairly lean but well built. in the heavyweights theres allsorts.
11/18/2004 6:38pm, #7
Eat more food."Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire.
11/18/2004 6:47pm, #8
Basically. If you go the standard 3-day MT classes, then there should be one day where you have off, followed by another day you have off. That's where you train for one day, rest the next. EAT LOADS!!!!!!
11/19/2004 12:12am, #9
OK. Let me make something abundantly clear. There is only one truth when it comes to weight gain and weight loss. The Law of Thermodynamics. How this applies to bodyweight is this:
CALORIES IN > CALORIES OUT = WEIGHT GAIN
CALORIES IN = CALORIES OUT = WEIGHT SAME
CALORIES IN < CALORIES OUT = WEIGHT LOSS.
There is no other truth but this. Yes, intense cardio DOES burn calories. But it doesn't come even close to burning so many that weight maintenance or weight gain is impossible. Even the most intense cardio would have a difficult time burning 1000 calories per hour. It's easy to eat 1000 calories.
This also happens to be why it's a lot easier to lose weight with diet than purely exercise. A much greater calorie deficit can be achieved through cutting even a little bit of food out of each meal (spread out over 4-6 meals a day) than can be done through really intense exercise. Add on to that that people who exercise a lot think that it gives them the ability to eat whatever they want or as much as they want...
11/19/2004 12:22am, #10While I am sure Tae-bo will be around to answer with more detail...
No matter WHAT type of muscular or strength training you do, your muscles will grow and/or become stronger when you are resting, and anything that cuts into that rest /recovery time, compromises that strength / mass gain.
Let me illustrate what I mean by using myself as an example. IF I could have an ideal schedule that would allow me as much time in the day to exercise and train as much as I wanted, this is what I would do:
M-W-F: Anaerobic days. Weight lifting and calisthenics.
T-T-Sat: Aerobic days. High intensity cardio.
Every day except Sunday: MA training.
Now, since I don't have an ideal schedule, I have to break this up. The way my work schedule works out, I work 3 8-hour days per week, 2 5-hour days, and a 6-hour day. So on my 8 hour days, I do my physical training. Approx. 1 hour intense cardio, and approx. 1 hour strength training. On my 3 short days, I do MA training for about 4 hours a day.
My point? Cardio won't (or rather, SHOULDNT) cut into your weight training rest too much, so don't worry about it. If you're undergoing even moderate load to your muscles during said cardio, however, (example would be a lot of calisthenics and stuff that is localized to specific muscles, especially to fatigue), then you're best off doing your best to pair that with your weight training, so that the rest can coincide.