Open guard work

**Te No Kage!** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 5:15pm

Originally Posted by Shumagorath

I thought Judo was heavily biased towards the open guard anyway? When I close my guard in our rules-liberal newaza sessions I get people trying the fuckin' scooping pass, although perhaps they feel safe doing it because they think they can just stand out of my triangle.

maybe so, since in competition when action slows down, you get stood back up (ie being in closed guard for too long)

Is the scoop pass when you slide both arms out and stack and then pass to one side by holding onto the belt?

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 5:17pm

No, I'm thinking of the "basic" Gracie pass where you slide an arm out and grab your own shin to stack. It's a free tap for any white belt with a clue.

**Te No Kage!** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 5:20pm

never learned that one, glad I didn't, sounds kind of dumb

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 5:28pm

When I joined BJJ it was the only one I knew from my limited Judo experience and I must have been triangled at least ten times nightly because of it.

**Boyd** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 11:26pm

Originally Posted by Shumagorath

Thanks Brand. Those look a little advanced for me though. X-Guard also looks like it would get you killed by the guy's right hand if striking were allowed.

There was a two-month period where my instructor went completely insane with the X-guard, getting so giddy over it he decided to show it to every one of his students. Since I was the most consistent student he had, I participated in over a dozen X-guard classes while he showed the "new" material off to other students. I can say now that I have COMPLETELY FUCKING MASTERED about a half-dozen sweeps from there, and I assure you that it's hardly that difficult once you're actually in it.

**CrimsonTiger** · Posted On: 11/15/2004 11:58pm

*sigh*

My one complaint about my JJJ training...the grappling wasn't as structured as it could have been...

I may submit and go to a BJJ school one day. BAH!

**bushi51** · Posted On: 11/16/2004 1:16am

Originally Posted by Shumagorath

Thanks Brand. Those look a little advanced for me though. X-Guard also looks like it would get you killed by the guy's right hand if striking were allowed.

Its not a static guard. It creates a sweep instantly, depending on how your opponent reacts. I pull half-guard just to slip to x-guard now.

**Te No Kage!** · Posted On: 11/16/2004 10:45am

I voted "other" because we just use normal open guard to set up subs and sweeps, like....

one foot on hip to set up arm bar
or one leg high to set up triangle
or hip heist sweep to set up ude garami

but.... in judo there aren't any ankle or leg locks, so we can get away with a lot of sloppy guard work just to keep the action going

**Bizzaro Root** · Posted On: 11/16/2004 2:54pm

i like the spider seems to work really good with my long legs.

question though ive recently seens in a carlson gracie book a guard called the "jello" but since i was in B&N i didnt get to really see what it was just saw the refrence alot.

**Kidnemo** · Posted On: 11/16/2004 5:15pm

Aye, we are taught the open guard stuffs all the time, inter-mixed with our closed guard stuff.

I'm getting to the point now where my closed guard is good enough that I can lock it in and just stay there, basically stalling. Which is good 'cause I don't get passed and submitted, but it sure doesn't make for a very exciting eight minutes of rolling with that person. haha

I've been making a effort to open up my guard and try the new stuff, even if it puts me in a comprimising position, atleast that way I'm getting more comfortable with it.

*edit*

Spider guard is totally awesome btw, even if I totally suck at it.