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    Well, I have to give you some credit....that is one of few things that I think you have correct.......althoiugh the "monks and the "place", nowadays are propraganerized for commercialism.

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    Is Shaolin Kung Fu and the one from the Siu Lam monastery...?

    Those with wide based stances, that focused a lot on power. One of the exercises they used to have was to remain in a stance...and they do that for a long time time like two years before they start their training.

    Bodhidharma did not train anyone personally.....once the emperor who invited him to China told him to **** off, he went to a monastery where he saw the monks looking like ****...and decided to create some way for them to be strong and healthy. He discussed about Ki and how it could be beneficial for healing/strengthening the body as well...as many other exercises....he might have been dead when they actually got his 2 books he wrote up.

    Martial arts that originate from Taoism are called internal martial arts; Bagua , Hsing-I and Tai chi.....anything else for some reason is just called external martial arts because it is supposedly all derived from buddhism which comes from India and not China....though the so many types of chinese martial arts were created independently from Boda's writings....that is a shame!

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    when i clicked on this i thought this was gonna be a viscious rant on vitor shaolin ribiero, good thing its just a serious harm thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik5il
    Is Shaolin Kung Fu and the one from the Siu Lam monastery...?
    Yes

    Those with wide based stances, that focused a lot on power. One of the exercises they used to have was to remain in a stance...and they do that for a long time time like two years before they start their training.
    Hmmnnn....not always

    Bodhidharma did not train anyone personally.....once the emperor who invited him to China told him to **** off, he went to a monastery where he saw the monks looking like ****...and decided to create some way for them to be strong and healthy.
    Basically the "just" of it.

    He discussed about Ki and how it could be beneficial for healing/strengthening the body as well...as many other exercises....he might have been dead when they actually got his 2 books he wrote up.
    He did not discuss Ki....which two books you speak of?

    Martial arts that originate from Taoism are called internal martial arts; Bagua , Hsing-I and Tai chi.....anything else for some reason is just called external martial arts because it is supposedly all derived from buddhism which comes from India and not China....
    Buddhism, or Indian arts had many internal methods....

    though the so many types of chinese martial arts were created independently from Boda's writings....that is a shame!
    Not true.....martial arts are developed out of human conflict......improved and/or changed, during each era.....and stirred into a "melting pot" to wheras none can be truely authentic, original, or supreme......

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    Quote Originally Posted by thexder
    when i clicked on this i thought this was gonna be a viscious rant on vitor shaolin ribiero, good thing its just a serious harm thread.
    "A Serious Harm thread"? What do you mean?

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    It's a thread starring Bullshido's lovable Serious Harm (i know you started the thread callmetrinity, but his personality takes over)

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    Quote Originally Posted by callmetrinity
    Yeah- and that there ARE authentic Shaolin Monks
    You have no proof there are not any "authentic" Shaolin monks alive today, you haven't even defined the term, and clearly do not exhibit the necessary knowledge to distinguish your premise. In actuality the lineage of monks going back late 1800's thru to pre and post-1928 warlord attacks is intact, and much of what was lost in the 40 day fires has been recovered, martially, and textually. People assume only one copy of the library's contents existed, in fact it had been copied. Taking into consideration the great efforts the Four Olds took during the CR, your entire premise is almost insulting, but really just speaks to you being clueless on the subject back engineering a ridiculous position. You don't even know how to argue or understand burden of proof which makes you frustrating. Google is one tool, lol...

    Shi Su Yuan, for example, who passed in '98, in his late 80's, learned in the temple as a child. His master was Shi Cheng Xu, who held abbocy in the early 1900's and passed in the 50's.

    The temple heirarchy can be thought of militaristically- in other words contingents of specific numbers of monks were responsible for specific tasks, like the Damo Yuan- 4 monks charged with protecting the Abbot. The last living member of the Damo Yuan that I am aware of is Shi Wan Heng, of the Linji family.

    One of the San Jing Gun spent most of his time copying the texts in the Shaolin library. He fled with those copies, as did other archival monks, under the blasts of the warlord's cannon. An archival tradition was extant at Shaolin since the times of it's founding, as the first Abbot Ba To regarded spreading and copying Buddhist texts as one of his principle missions. You think they were just going to stand around and watch their responsibility light up? Would you?

    Some of these manuscripts were given to a monk named De Ding. During the CR they were buried.

    In the martial arts there is a tendency to transmit 'in the door' knowledge. You seem to lack even a door knob.

    After the travesty of the CR, the manuscripts were turned over to Shi De Qian, who has basically released these manuscripts in published form. They are primitive looking drawings of Shaolin Kung Fu forms and methods. If you know what you are looking at they make sense, and match some of the publically held Shaolin forms as transmitted by some of today's monks. Some.

    If your whole premise is that Shaolin is overhyped, my answer would be what martial art ISN'T? Didn't the Boxers failures turn on any lightbulbs. Even these so called 'reality fighters' who train to fight, actually do nothing of the sort. All they do is train to meet a rare, specific condition.

    I don't know about sub zero temps, but Shi Yan Ming subjected himself to a scientific test, with control, that was designed to test the subject's reaction to noxious stimuli. The experiment was filmed for a joint Discovery Channel BBC production called "Beyond Human Endurance." I was witness to the experiment. That is why in the edit we made for his 10 yr celebration in some of the shots you can see he is attached to various medical machinery. The method was to drain the blood from the arm using surgical wrap, apply tourniquet, then submerge the arm in ice water and measure heart, pulse, etc.

    The control lasted about 15 seconds before the pain was unbearable.

    Shi Yan Ming outlasted the willingness of the Dr to allow the experiment to continue. In other words, he was sitting there, non plussed, and the Dr eventually said to bother going forward was pointless as there was no measurable change in Shi Yan Ming's physiology, after 10-15 minutes, to bother. He had never seen anything like it in any of the case work he was developing for his study.

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    Nah nah nah......next you be saying that you believe in Chi, Santa, and the Easter Bunny....

    Quote Originally Posted by heng fa
    You have no proof there are not any "authentic" Shaolin monks alive today, you haven't even defined the term, and clearly do not exhibit the necessary knowledge to distinguish your premise. In actuality the lineage of monks going back late 1800's thru to pre and post-1928 warlord attacks is intact, and much of what was lost in the 40 day fires has been recovered, martially, and textually. People assume only one copy of the library's contents existed, in fact it had been copied. Taking into consideration the great efforts the Four Olds took during the CR, your entire premise is almost insulting, but really just speaks to you being clueless on the subject back engineering a ridiculous position. You don't even know how to argue or understand burden of proof which makes you frustrating. Google is one tool, lol...

    Show me the proof of these documents. Give me links of their existence.

    Shi Su Yuan, for example, who passed in '98, in his late 80's, learned in the temple as a child. His master was Shi Cheng Xu, who held abbocy in the early 1900's and passed in the 50's.
    Cant find that info....... sounds like both are government party "figure head". like the Pope

    The temple heirarchy can be thought of militaristically- in other words contingents of specific numbers of monks were responsible for specific tasks, like the Damo Yuan- 4 monks charged with protecting the Abbot. The last living member of the Damo Yuan that I am aware of is Shi Wan Heng, of the Linji family.
    Show me the proof of these documents. Give me links of their existence.

    One of the San Jing Gun spent most of his time copying the texts in the Shaolin library. He fled with those copies, as did other archival monks, under the blasts of the warlord's cannon. An archival tradition was extant at Shaolin since the times of it's founding, as the first Abbot Ba To regarded spreading and copying Buddhist texts as one of his principle missions. You think they were just going to stand around and watch their responsibility light up? Would you?
    Show me the proof of these documents. Give me links of their existence.


    Some of these manuscripts were given to a monk named De Ding. During the CR they were buried.
    Cant find that info....... sounds like both are government party "figure head". Like the Pope

    In the martial arts there is a tendency to transmit 'in the door' knowledge. You seem to lack even a door knob.
    Maybe some peole are "hit with the door". Perhaps some want a golden knob.

    After the travesty of the CR, the manuscripts were turned over to Shi De Qian, who has basically released these manuscripts in published form. They are primitive looking drawings of Shaolin Kung Fu forms and methods. If you know what you are looking at they make sense, and match some of the publically held Shaolin forms as transmitted by some of today's monks. Some.
    Cant find that info....... sounds like both are government party "figure head". Like the Pope

    If your whole premise is that Shaolin is overhyped, my answer would be what martial art ISN'T? Didn't the Boxers failures turn on any lightbulbs. Even these so called 'reality fighters' who train to fight, actually do nothing of the sort. All they do is train to meet a rare, specific condition.
    Why should such a order of religion become so? Isnt that "supposed" to have happened in the first place? If they werent overhyped back then, perhaps their asses wouldnt got burned. Also, if these fighting monks so so good, how come they couldnt defend their stuff?


    I don't know about sub zero temps, but Shi Yan Ming subjected himself to a scientific test, with control, that was designed to test the subject's reaction to noxious stimuli. The experiment was filmed for a joint Discovery Channel BBC production called "Beyond Human Endurance." I was witness to the experiment. That is why in the edit we made for his 10 yr celebration in some of the shots you can see he is attached to various medical machinery. The method was to drain the blood from the arm using surgical wrap, apply tourniquet, then submerge the arm in ice water and measure heart, pulse, etc.

    The control lasted about 15 seconds before the pain was unbearable.

    Shi Yan Ming outlasted the willingness of the Dr to allow the experiment to continue. In other words, he was sitting there, non plussed, and the Dr eventually said to bother going forward was pointless as there was no measurable change in Shi Yan Ming's physiology, after 10-15 minutes, to bother. He had never seen anything like it in any of the case work he was developing for his study.
    Cant find that info....... sounds like both are government party "figure head".

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    I don't suppose you would be able to find that info at all, lol...but you did trick me into thinking you had a bit of game at first.

    In our every exchange I am inexorably led to the conclusion that you are a typing mouth in a face, and that is about it, all too typical an example of internet forum residents. All piss and clueless vinegar. Callmetrinity is bullshido, because you offer opinion as fact without knowing jack **** about the topic. Your conclusion is foregone so there isn't much of a point, beyond diversion, in even engaging you anymore.

    If you don't know how to investigate this stuff- and incredibly you believe Google and the internet is going to burp up a wealth of info on it- I don't know what to say. Like I am going to post a link for you detailing the life and times of every Shaolin monk who ever walked the earth. The internet does not automatically bestow veracity.

    It's an idiotic premise to start out with...it would be like assuming you could look up online, say...the fo fa sen ceremony of Bei Ma Si, and have a chart to compare it with a Tibetan temple tradition...such information is still the provenance of GROUND and FIELD work, which you are incapable or unwilling to pursue.

    You can't find the published work of Shi De Qian? You can't find the Discovery Channel DVD of Beyond Human Endurance? It was even co-released by the BBC. I mean, they do have a website- probably Discovery channel dot com. I would wager they have a store where you can buy it. Then you can watch it. Calling Yan Ming a PRC figurehead made me laugh out loud. You really are clueless.

    I mean really. If you want to be a serious Shaolin researcher or offer a serious opinion then get serious man and learn how to conduct research, form arguments, answer rebuttals, take a stab at logic, try and understand the burden of proof, before you start typing out your idiocy, otherwise just sit back and learn something from those who have greater command of the subject matter than you do.

    Your initial premise is so revelatory (in your opinion) as to be a huge joke!

    A six yr old can make any "martial" art overhyped.

    Well I guess it is all right as you just don't seem to know any better.
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