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    First concerning the 3 exercises from Ta Mo
    Quote Originally Posted by theycallmetrinity
    Yes, yoga like. Somewhat like today's calisthenics or aerobics.
    The exercises in question are nothing like calisthenics or aerobics. Yoga like, yes.

    The three exercise are known as
    1. Muscle Change Classic
    2. Marrow Washing Course
    3. 18 Movements of the Monks


    I can only speak to 18 Movements of the Monks, because that's the only one I have. It is an internal program. All movements are slow, unlike aerobics.

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    Hiding? Give a example.
    It is my impression that everything at Shaolin today is made up in recent time in order for China to embrace its "martial" heritage. I am saying that Honan temple 1400 =/= 2004. Other people believe that martial artists survived the Communist killing spree in China, and stayed in China. Where ever they could of been hiding, if it is true is anybody's guess.

    I don't have an example.
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    Yeah, but do you know what are the actual Buddhist names for those exercises. And what is the word for "exercise"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Mantis
    Trinity:

    First concerning the 3 exercises from Ta Mo

    The exercises in question are nothing like calisthenics or aerobics. Yoga like, yes.

    The three exercise are known as
    1. Muscle Change Classic
    2. Marrow Washing Course
    3. 18 Movements of the Monks

    Yes- I knew this-that is why they are more yoga like and not martial. And it wasn't 18 Moves of the Monks. Speaking to a couple of Chan Buddhist, per suttras, these terms are incorrect.



    I can only speak to 18 Movements of the Monks, because that's the only one I have. It is an internal program. All movements are slow, unlike aerobics.
    I stated "yoga like". I stated "somewhat like aerobics"-not meaning fast-but exercise instead of a fighting form.

    It is my impression that everything at Shaolin today is made up in recent time in order for China to embrace its "martial" heritage.
    This is my impression - a re-intro, but not "authentic". Not saying bad quality (though some are) - just hype-riding on a merit from legend.


    I am saying that Honan temple 1400 =/= 2004. Other people believe that martial artists survived the Communist killing spree in China, and stayed in China. Where ever they could of been hiding, if it is true is anybody's guess. I don't have an example.
    So there it becomes no concrete or hard proof of hierarchy. It is a rekindling of culture set for propaganda and commercialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callmetrinity
    Yeah, but do you know what are the actual Buddhist names for those exercises. And what is the word for "exercise"?
    I only know 18 monks which is LoHan Shou, which translates out to Buddha Hand, FWIW.

    Like I said, I don't know the other ones.

    And, when you say aerobics, most people envision people jumping around. I wanted to try and clarify what was being discussed.
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    Of course, many of the martial-related stories about shaolin come from the supposed fact that so many martialists fled to hide there during different periods in China's history. . .much has been made of this happening during the Boxer Rebellion, hence a lot of the stories.

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    I been thinking that Taiji could be related to Shaolin. There is alot of talk of Taijiquan being related to daoist practices, and I think that is true, even if someone says there is no I ching connection to Taijiquan or Baguazhang. But can you really say for sure? Chen village is closer in location to the shaolin temple than any Daoist mountain.

    The diagram in the background of this page I finf interesting. Does anyone know more about it. I think it is usually associated with the Taiji classics. It show Yin and Yang Taiji Spiral energy paths, and it shows a chakra. It appears to be the solar plexus chakra, although it could be the heart chakra. Cultivating the heart, mind and body are impotant in IMA( the Xin, xing, and the Yi). Taiji also has seated meditation which resembles a buddha practice, which uses pushing mountains vibrating palm, which is also in Shaolin qigong. Many moves in Taiji refer to buddha's, and yet I think there is a Taoist I ching connection as well myself. Belt meridian is emphasized whether Taoist or Yogic.

    http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria/chansigong.html

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    Tai Chi is the offspring of Yogist movements from India.(so I heard once)
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    THere is another diagram associated with the diagram I linked. In it , it shows that the Shoulders and hips align, that the elbows and knees align, and the bai hui and hui yin acu points align. I haven't yet found it on the internet recently.

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    when a traditional master is invited to teach his MA to the monks at the modern temple, his art acquires a "shaolin hat". mantis style becomes "shaolin mantis style", etc.

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    Hmm, that "traditional" master should then kill the monks for disrespecting his ancestors, to save face.

    Either that or sue them in a federal copyright action!
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