[callmetrinity]

Ditto.

I think anything or anyone claiming to be of Shaolin this or Shaolin that, is bullshido.
Shaolin is Hyped.

“China-The 50 Most Memorable Trips”, the author, J.D. Brown, states on pages 486-488:

"Bodhisattva Warriors", Terence Dukes

http://www.mtsu.edu/~jpurcell/Taichi...ages/2616.html

http://www.spiritualminds.com/articl...articleid=1886

http://www.spiritualminds.com/articl...articleid=1833

http://www.beijingwushuteam.com/arti...aolintour.html

http://martialarts.about.com/od/hist...haolinMyth.htm

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/issues...Travel_Shaolin

http://www.buddhamind.info/beam_up/Shao/

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...atestheadlines

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/t...3/09/&prd=mag&

"What The Buddha Taught"

[Shuma-Gorath]

Are you Serious Harm's doppleganger?

[Gezere]

You know Terrence Duke is a lying peice of trash, right?

And yes Shaolin is way to hyped. Its funny how pple STILL think all asian arts came from shaolin.

[Shuma-Gorath]

Wait, why is this crap thread in the Classics forum?

[Zeddy]

Under Ask Peedee.

And where did the tai-gip thread go?

[Meex]

here's a no brainer. . .
if prince daruma (bohdidarma, Ta mo) was the one who taught the monks ma/gung fu in Sil Lum (shaolin) temple. . .uh, someone had to have taught him. No "originator" label for him.

500 AD? Much too late for the start of martial arts in asia.

`~/

[callmetrinity]

Yes, I have heard/discussed many such things per certain references.

Originally Posted by Asia

You know Terrence Duke is a lying peice of trash, right?
Given some questionable details. But what are you referencing his work-entirety or segments? And why or which?

And yes Shaolin is way to hyped. Its funny how pple STILL think all asian arts came from shaolin.
Yes, I grow weary of the "Shaolin Bandwagon". Back in the mid 60's, I had a Chinse instructor whom was born (1905) and came from that region. In the 80's, he told us much more about himself and "growing up". Shaolin monks and/or people were non-existent in his youthful years. It is funny, how these came "out of the woodwork" for recognition to give themselves credit/merit and earn a profitable living? This particular Chinese instructor, in 1986, died, around the age of 81.

[Mr. Mantis]

Originally Posted by Meex

here's a no brainer. . .
if prince daruma (bohdidarma, Ta mo) was the one who taught the monks ma/gung fu in Sil Lum (shaolin) temple. . .uh, someone had to have taught him. No "originator" label for him.

500 AD? Much too late for the start of martial arts in asia.

`~/

He supposedly brought chan buddhism with him. And he taught the monks 3 exercises. He's not the originator of martial arts in China. As you state, he can't be due to his time in history. The exercises are designed for physical development and enhancement.

Many things have roots to the original shaolin temple. I know some people say that MA survived in China during the the Communist cleansing. If that is represented by the current Shaolin, then I would tend to disagree, because those people are dancers, not fighters.

Then again, I have never been to China, who knows what could be hiding.

[Wounded Ronin]

SARS could be hiding.

[callmetrinity]

Hmmnn. OK. I was barred from other martial arts forums when I posted this subject of the "Shaolin Bandwagon". Here on Bullshido, people may get offended-but the mods tolerate a lot.

Originally Posted by Mr_Mantis

He supposedly brought chan buddhism with him.
He did not. Chan Buddhism was there before him, that is why the temple was built in the first place-also before him.

And he taught the monks 3 exercises.
Yes, yoga like. Somewhat like today's calisthenics or aerobics.

He's not the originator of martial arts in China. As you state, he can't be due to his time in history. The exercises are designed for physical development and enhancement.
Yes, if only people will think.

Many things have roots to the original shaolin temple.
Things, but not people. How can there be any authenticated documents to prove by concrete evidence, that someone is a "authentic" Shaolin monk or practitioner. Given the lack of hierarchy (lets face it-they were monks, not nobles or royalty-much harder to trace) and clouded history.

I know some people say that MA survived in China during the the Communist cleansing. If that is represented by the current Shaolin, then I would tend to disagree, because those people are dancers, not fighters.
Right. Shaolin is big business. Tourism and global commercialism. The Chinese Government realizes this. How diificult for them, their powerful rule, to place monks, fabricate documentation, or other conspiracy, to proganderized and continue the profits/busness?

Then again, I have never been to China, who knows what could be hiding.
Hiding? Give a example.