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    Thanks Mikey, I just actually was able to picture that from your description. I'll see if I can't get myself armbar'd when I try that heh. Could be a cool tool in the toolbox though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey Triangles
    It can be finished by reaching deep into the collar, like a cross-collar choke, with your own arm acting as your opponents arm normally would. I prefer to rip his lapel out of his belt and feed it around and over his shoulder for a deeper/stronger grip myself though.

    You just have to watch out for simple counters, if you grab up too deep and you're a bit loose one counter is to actually make you armbar yourself.
    I was taught to underhook your own shin. I can see the back collar working if you can't secure a good grip but otherwise it is going to be looser and make the choke tougher to finish.

    As for the self armbar, I was tooling around with a noob last week trying to work this (I've never been comfortable with it, making this thread fortuitous) and started to armbar myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    Ha! Look what I bought this weekend:

    • Best Judo by Isao Inokuma
    • The Canon of Judo: Classic Teachings on Principles and Techniques by Kyuzo Mifune
    • Russian Judo (Masterclass Series) by Alexander Iatskevich
    • Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: Submission Grappling Techniques by Royler Gracie
    • Passing the Guard: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu : Details and Techniques by Ed Beneville

    I'm also going to get Judo in Action, the reprint of Dynamic Judo, but I'm still looking for better prices.

    Also found the rest of the Masterclass series, and I'll be ordering at least the following, if not the full 14 books:
    • Armlocks by Neil Adams
    • Grips by Neil Adams
    • Osaekomi by Kashiwazaki
    • Pick-Ups by Van de Walle
    • Shimewaza by Kashiwazaki

    Awyeah.
    What's your verdict on The Canon of Judo? I've been thinking about getting it, but I'm not sure after some other Judo books I bought that were just apalling in both quality of pictures and descriptions.

    I've heard good things about the masterclass series though.
    More human than human is our motto.

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    The Osaekomi book by Kashiwazaki sucks. Grips by Adams rules, and "Russian Judo" is a good read.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    I was taught to underhook your own shin. I can see the back collar working if you can't secure a good grip but otherwise it is going to be looser and make the choke tougher to finish..
    yeah, I prefer using the "tail" of the lapel over the shoulder for that reason, much stronger and more effective then the collar and underhooking, and it gives you a bit of mobility to turn your elbow and adjust.



    my favorite way to do it no-gi I kind of came up with on my own, and the closest thing I'vce seen to it since then was the "viking choke" someone posted about a few months back. instead of underhooking I lace my arm around the outside of the "bent leg" and come through under my opponents neck (which is in the no-arm triangle). I then grab my shin with my opposite hand, and clasp onto the wrist of that arm with my "laced" hand (like a keylock grip). to finish I just turn my wrists like I'm revving a motorcycle and squeeze my knees. this is actually one of my favorite techniques, and it's extremely difficult to escape let alone counter once it's on. I'm actually going to put up a video of this one soon.
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    Damn Mikey, I'd love to see that when you get it put up.

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    Thanks for rubbing it in-- all these old posters who got it for dirt cheap!

    I have the Triangle DVD but not the book.

    If anyone knows of a cheap/barter way I could get my hands on it maybe we could work something out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiridoku
    Thanks for rubbing it in-- all these old posters who got it for dirt cheap!

    I have the Triangle DVD but not the book.

    If anyone knows of a cheap/barter way I could get my hands on it maybe we could work something out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiridoku
    Thanks for rubbing it in-- all these old posters who got it for dirt cheap!

    I have the Triangle DVD but not the book.

    If anyone knows of a cheap/barter way I could get my hands on it maybe we could work something out?

    Thanks~~

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    You can get the book on Budovideo. What you can't get is the DVD, so keep that.

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    domo obrigato mr.robrotos!

    thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

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