11/11/2004 12:00am, #31
Hey Don, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't the Stratsboug goat fest, an anonymous test in which supposedly hundreds of goats were shot with various calibers to see how quickly they would die? I remember reading some gun mag which pointed out the statistical unlikelyness of rounding up so many goats which fit into such a narrow weight range. (like 140-150 lbs though they were obviously using metric weights.) It was certainly some tantalizing bullshit.
Now Eric Haney, one of the founding members of Delta Force, says in his book "Inside Delta Force" (Delacorte Press, New York, 2002) that when testing a rifle bullet that would dump all of its energy in the target and not exit the terrorist's body, "we conducted empirical tests at various ranges on live goats. Nobody enjoyed shooting the animals, but since the testing was done to avoid killing innocent fellow humans, it seemed to carry a lesser weight in the great balance of things." (p. 244)
Basically they created a bullet that would dump its energy on inpact while losing its velocity rapidly up to a distance of 400 meters or so.
11/11/2004 4:37pm, #32
The military testing on animals are nothing new it happens all the time. As gross as many of the experiments are.
11/11/2004 5:02pm, #33
Does anybody know if the soldiers got to have "Cabrito" for chow?True civilization lies in the dominance of self and not in the dominance of other men.
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11/11/2004 5:37pm, #34Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
11/11/2004 6:24pm, #35
Originally Posted by tkdan28
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TKDan has a smokin' avatar.
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11/12/2004 11:11pm, #36
Animal tests, sure. Strasbourg Goat Tests, no. They're myths.
As for Delta Force developing rifle rounds that are effective at 400 yards, yet will not go through and through an unarmored human, that doesn't sound very likely. If it was achieved I would bet on some very big tradeoffs.
I've never heard of this round, and it ought to be famous by now if it can do that.
11/12/2004 11:54pm, #37
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Guy Savelli makes these claims on his Huc Chung Kun Tao website. http://www.worldkungfu.com/
I'm ashamed that he even calls it Kun Tao. He's a running joke in our class.
It's a shame that he's hiding behind the wall o' bullshido because he was considered to be one of DeThour's best, once upon a time."
you have got your facts seriously mixed up.
how do you connect savelli with Dethouars?
which DeThoaurs are you talking about?
11/13/2004 8:08pm, #38
this has nothing to do with goats but i think it contributes to this topic:
i'm curious what's behind all this ... at least the author of this article claims that the author of the book isn't a fraud ... interesting at least ...
11/13/2004 8:22pm, #39
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I was involved in the secret goat lab tests for the Government. FEMA would come and pick me up in a black helicopter and we would meet with the Trilateral Commission about the impending alien invasion. Seriously....just ask Art Bell.
11/13/2004 8:56pm, #40Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
"How do you kill one person out of a group at long range without harming anyone else? . . . . The answer came in the form of a bullet that was accurate and powerful, but would stay in the human body upon impact. We had done some experimentation during our first year and had come up with rife loads that solved this problem. By hand-loading a round with a lightweight, lightly constructed bullet driven at a very high velocity, we got an accurate round that would dump its energy on impact so rapidly and violantly, the bullet would stay in the body of the victim without exiting the other side. The trade off with the round was that its range was somewhat limited. Even though the bullet left the barrel at a very high speed, the same lightness that caused it to dump energy rapidly on impact also caused it to lose velocity rapidly. It performed admirably on shots to about four hundred meters or so." (p. 244) Haney then talks about testing the round on goats, see earlier quote.