Posted On:11/05/2004 8:46pm
Style: Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu
This comes to us courtesy of Dave Meltzer at www.wrestlingobserver.com
The Kurt Angle-Daniel Puder deal from last night's Smackdown is really interesting. On MMA message boards, this has turned into the biggest story in a long time, and the funny part is, many MMA board people don't get the big picture at all and hate pro wrestling. I've seen some talk on pro wrestling boards, but while I've gotten tons of phone calls about it, I've gotten almost no e-mails about it, so I don't think many fans watching saw what really happened. Just to answer a few questions on it. It was real. If you don't follow fighting, Puder had Angle locked in the Kimura, or keylock as Tazz called it, although Tazz didn't let on the move was fully executed. Not only was Angle not getting out of the move, but most MMA fighters would have tapped already. Angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref counted a three even though Puder's shoulders weren't fully down, trying to end the thing, because the reality was Angle would have been in surgery had it gone a few seconds longer or had Puder not given up the hold. My impression is, since this was a taped show, that nobody in enough power in the company actually understood what happened and let it air, and figured most would see it as a pinfall in 40 seconds. And they were 98% correct, between the commentary and the pinfall, that is how most saw it. It was only when it was all over MMA boards last night that "unknown shootfighter really beats Kurt Angle" and was the hottest topic all night, that they took the footage of it off their web site, and replaced it with copy that said, "Angle mauled Nawrocki, before taking volunteers, next pinning Daniel Puder in a slightly tougher, but still relatively easy match." This is when you know a company is doomed. When God hands them an angle that would get people talking like nothing they've been able to create on their own, given them the potential for legit water cooler talk had they played it right, and they are so blind they go in the opposite direction. Tazz called it like, "well, so much for the UFC." Yeah, and so much for The Invasion angle as well.
Courtesy of Derbeppo:
kinda funny if you ask me
Eduardo "Why'd you stop."
Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."
Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."
Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."
Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."
Originally posted by Ralek
My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
Posted On:11/05/2004 10:00pm
Did the challenger not realize that pro-wrestling is supposed to be fake?
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire.
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Posted On:11/05/2004 10:22pm
Style: Mixed Martial Arts
Kimura? ok I somewhat have an idea of what that actually looks like now, I've heard of it quite a few times. I just wanted to comment on the fact that his arm looked like it might have snapped if the guy had pushed hard enough.
But could you explain why the UFC is finished? I think I'm missing some backstory here.
The Eternal n00b
Posted On:11/05/2004 10:43pm
Style: CM Boxing/BJJ/RBSD
That half guard doesn't look that tight... couldn't he have just rolled out?
Style: karate, BJJ
His shoulder would've definitely snapped if he hadn't rolled out(though he had his arm tucked in and protected for the first little bit), and if you're interested you can find more of the kimura and other submissions at www.bjj.org
Posted On:11/05/2004 10:49pm
I'm still confused as to why this occured. Did the MMA'er not realize that he is supposed to lose and collect a paycheck?
Posted On:11/05/2004 10:51pm
Maybe if he snapped it he would have got a bigger paycheck and a contract? :D
Posted On:11/05/2004 10:57pm
Perhaps this person was an asshole that just wanted to prove to himself that he could beat an actor up.
Posted On:11/05/2004 11:09pm
Nah he's not an asshole, he's just a young kid who had an opportunity for a few minutes of fame and took it without thinking of the consequences. Angle isn't just an actor either - just a few years ago he proved himself the best real wrestler on the planet. Kurt's job that night was to embarrass the contestants of the "Tough Enough" show, but it backfired on him.
The kid was taking the whole thing a little too serious and took on (and subbed) Kurt for real (who probably wasn't expecting it). If you watch the video after the 3-count Kurt is PISSED and tells him off, and Puder has this look like "oooops, sorry sir" on his face.
Posted On:11/05/2004 11:13pm
Kurt is a pro-wrestler, thus he is an actor.
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