Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Rulon Gardner

**MUT** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 12:10am

I don't know if he'll be able to develope submission defence by then......Yoshida obviusly isn't a top striker but he went the whole way with Silva without getting drilled by a knee or a punch so hes got the advantage there. They both have the best clinch games....I dunno it seems to me Rulon's only advantage is size.

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 12:34am

Originally Posted by supercrap

Typical American.

Typical idiot.

:evil6:

**Red Elvis** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 12:43am

Originally Posted by MUT

I don't know if he'll be able to develope submission defence by then......Yoshida obviusly isn't a top striker but he went the whole way with Silva without getting drilled by a knee or a punch so hes got the advantage there. They both have the best clinch games....I dunno it seems to me Rulon's only advantage is size.

I'd say his size is an advantage plus the ability to throw without the gi. Not sure how much Judo guys practice throws without gi's but that's what greco roman is good at. If he's truly training with Team Quest he'll have some dirty boxing and subs up his sleave. Nothing to great but there. Should be intresting...

Originally Posted by brandeissansoo

He beat Alexander Karelin. You're just ignorant.

Yeah, now that's a sore subject for me. I'm an American through and through but I really wanted Karelin to go out undefeated. I had that much respect for him. But if yer gonna loose... best it's to the US.
:bowdown:

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 7:37am

Travesty? *snort* Look, no one is excited by a win by stalling. But first, stalling in Greco ain't like lay and pray in sub wrestling. It still takes lots of energy and Rulon tired Karelin out. After, Karelin looked tired and Rulon was turning cartwheels. Second, Rulon beat him fair and square. Karelin wasn't robbed by a bad judges decision or anything like that. And third, Rulon is legit. That win over Karelin wasn't a fluke. He wrestled a tough match to face Karelin in the Gold medal round and came back this year to win bronze. Is Rulon the wrestler Karelin was overall? No. But he deserved that medal and he is one of America's top wrestlers period.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 8:03am

Originally Posted by The Wastrel

Please, no one is permitted to reference this complete travesty without first giving us a summary of Karelin's absolute superiority, and then showing how a small rules change led to a fluke victory by stall over Karelin, the most amazing human being who ever lived.

If I could, I would give this man 1000 pos rep points for the above statement.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 8:05am

Let me add this:
Rulon would tie me into a pretzel and dunk me in his beer, but I am not afraid of him.
Karelin scares the bejesus out of me.

**TylerDurden** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 8:06am

Gardner caught Karelin at the end of his career. In his prime that match lasts about 30 seconds with Gardner getting slammed and pinned. I want to see him try that stalling garbage in the ring, and get hammered in the face in the process. Yoshida by tap out in the first round.

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 8:15am

Hey, I don't think anyone would deny that Karelin would have won in his prime, but people who don't know anything about Rulon's wrestling career apart from that one match should stop making judgements. He is NOT a staller. He did not stall in his matches this Olympics, nor has he made a career of stalling for wins in his other matches and Olympic qualifiers.

It so happens I predict Yosh, too. However, that is because Judo is already closer to MMA (with it's subs) than Greco that doesn;t even allow you to attack the legs.

**TylerDurden** · Posted On: 11/04/2004 8:17am

He won the bronze last time on stalling as well. That's his entire game plan. Push and stall, wait until the other guy is tired from attacking then win by a point.