Team Tiger Schulmann ranked #1 grappling team in the nation

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 10/20/2004 12:06pm

Team TSK was recently ranked #1 in the nation by RANKED on mma.tv.

The rankings have alot ot do with the NAGA and over 100 submission grappling events. Team TSK placed 1st with 175 points over team Renzo Gracie(150 points) and American Top Team(147).

The RANKED list can be seen at mma.tv here:

http://www.mma.tv/RANKED/index.cfm?a...ms&Season=2004

Congrats to team TSK.

**Jenfucius** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 8:39am

they also won the award for "most jewish MMA name"

**Kempocos** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 9:22am

Team TSK beats Gracies ..... please stop next you will say that Boston Red Sox will beat the Yankees in the ......oh wait.......................................

**Crapfestival** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 9:38am

Thats just a marketting tool. The more you compete, the higher your rank. So if you have 200 people compete, and some schools only have 15 or 20, you are obviously going to lose.

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 11:27am

Team Renzo never has 15 to 20.

Plus you cant win advanced and expert unless you have skills.

On top of that team TSK owns pretty much everyone in MMA on the east coast.

The only TSK fighter to lose recently(that I'm aware of) has been Shennen Maceo in Muay Thai and thats because he fought the 7th ranked fighter in the world and it was only Shennen's 8th fight in the ring.

On top of that the TSK fighters actually fight each other should they meet in a tournament. Most BJJ schools take the easy way out and save their fighters so they're "fresh" instead of risking a match and making them tired. Its one of the most pussified tactics I've ever come across.

Also children are factored into the equation as well. Its not TSK's fault that most schools don't have the ability to teach a child/teen and actually give them skills. I dont think TSK has ever lost the kids division in NAGA. They train their kids better than anyone else it would appear.

**Hawkeye** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 11:49am

Originally Posted by Kempocos

Team TSK beats Gracies ..... please stop next you will say that Boston Red Sox will beat the Yankees in the ......oh wait.......................................

REDSOXOWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Crapfestival** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 12:07pm

I'm not saying TSK isnt good, and I wasnt implying that Renzo is the best either. They by
far have the most people at each tournament, and I agree they have a great kids program.

But I still dont think they have the best grappling program. They are very good, but I think their numbers make them stand out. Team mates are put into opposite sides of the bracket, so if they are meeting in a tournament it is towards the very end anyways. So thats not such a big deal most of the time.

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 12:12pm

Actually I agree with you, I would say American Top Team or Renzo has the best team overall.

If you factor in kids I say TSK because their kids fight in Boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, NAGA and even limited rules MMA.

**punchingdummy** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 6:13pm

Originally Posted by Kempocos

Team TSK beats Gracies ..... please stop next you will say that Boston Red Sox will beat the Yankees in the ......oh wait.......................................

Look at the results from Reality Fighting last week. TSK 2 Team Renzo 0 (MMA Events). Granted, not straight grappling, but it does make a statement.

**punchingdummy** · Posted On: 10/21/2004 6:17pm

Originally Posted by J-Lau

I'm not saying TSK isnt good, and I wasnt implying that Renzo is the best either. They by
far have the most people at each tournament, and I agree they have a great kids program.

But I still dont think they have the best grappling program. They are very good, but I think their numbers make them stand out. Team mates are put into opposite sides of the bracket, so if they are meeting in a tournament it is towards the very end anyways. So thats not such a big deal most of the time.

I would agree as well.

Also keep in mind that this is not a BJJ school. It's a "karate" school which can hang pretty well with good grappling competition.