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  1. Crucified is offline

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    10/12/2004 9:18am


     Style: Kyokushin

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Well it does have in the "Money to challenger if win" column - "$10,000.00/ up to $100,000.00" - so I guess they could be legit. 10k isnt too bad.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I just emailed Soneca at heliosoneca.com
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    Up to 100,000?

    What is it then ? 10,000 a minute, or maybe 10,000 every broken bone.
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  4. much love is offline

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    10/12/2004 9:24am


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    I just emailed Soneca at heliosoneca.com
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    10/12/2004 9:39am


     Style: Karate/Kempo/Muay Thai

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    Man no wonder no one has taken these bozos up on theyre challenge, If you put enough restrictions on it then you limit who can challenge you.. So its really no challenge at all..
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    10/15/2004 10:53pm


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    Could be One legged Ping Pong rules.

    It is probably WTF Olympic TKD rules though. I seriously doubt it is Kick Boxing or NHB.
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    10/16/2004 4:32am

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    much love lol, so is this some1 who meets the criteria to challenge these ppl? Would be interesting...
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    I have a few thoughts:

    First of all, the statement about the challenge on their main page is misleading and really just flat out false.

    Here is what they say:
    TTJC is so confident, we offer $100,000.00 to any area black belt who can defeat a TTJC trained Chun Ji Do black belt.
    Now I'll grant them they have the right to define "an area black belt", but they don't have the right to lie. Not ANY area black belt can challenge for the full $100,000. They have to own a school. They should say:
    TTJC is so confident, we offer up to $100,000.00 to any area martial arts school owner who can defeat a TTJC trained Chun Ji Do black belt instructor.

    Secondly, I don't interpret "Current Listing in Knoxville Yellow Pages/Live in Knoxville area 1 or more year" as Current Listing in Knoxville Yellow Pages AND Live in Knoxville area 1 or more year.

    The way I read it, I could make up Punisher's Kenpo Shack, put a one line ad in the Knoxville Yellow Pages, and be good to go. If the requirements of the challenge are you must meet both criteria, they should say so. Besides they have 7 schools outside of Knoxville, 6 of which list the instructor as a "Master". Surely the challenge should apply to these towns as well. Am I right?

    Thirdly, my instructor just moved to Chattanooga, about 100 miles away from Knoxville, and just about an hour away from their school in Sweetwater. He normally wouldn't go for this sort of thing, but $100,000 might be incentive enough to do it. Especially if all he has to put up is $500.

    The shame of this whole this is the only real problem I have with this place is the challenge. The Grand Master certainly has some impressive credit entails, and while there are a couple of things like Hapkido being "too deadly" I've seen a lot worse. Maybe this is what you have to do to compete for students in Knoxville, and maybe it works, but as a perspective student I would be turned off by their challenge, especially since they have words HUMILITY and HONESTY at the top of their website.

    The last thing I have to say is their events pages advertises a tournament on November 8. It appears to be open to anyone, not just their students. Events are listed as:

    All Martial Arts Students/Spectators
    (TKD, TangSooDo, Kung Fu/Karate)
    Competition Events: Breaking, Forms,
    Free Sparring
    Judo/Jujitsu: Forms, Free Sparring
    Gumdo: Forms, Sparring

    Maybe someone in the area that doesn't qualify for the challenge can go check out the tournament.
  9. OC Kid is offline

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    10/16/2004 1:02pm


     Style: Karate/Kempo/Muay Thai

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    Maybe I can put a add in the yellow pages, rent a store front then take the challenge and beat him with my dim mak while Im watching the new release of Enter the Dragon munchin on popcorn....
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    10/16/2004 6:30pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Everything about the challenge is on their website. If you read all of what's there, there's no dishonesty. Maybe some things could be clarified, but wait...THEY ARE. Right on the website. What's your beef exatly? You say they're dishonest, but any potential dishonesty is corrected.
    They shouldn't need clarification. It's not like they didn't have time to think out the statements that appear on their main page. On the main page they imply any area blackbelt can challenge for $100,000. That's not the case. On their "clarification" page they have the same statement but add "up to". Those are two different statements. To me saying one thing on your main page, then saying something else on another, isn't clarification, it's contradiction. Maybe it's not a big deal, but why not have the correct statement on the main page in the first place?

    Another thing they mention is that in 25 years of having a $30,000 challenge, no one has been able to collect. They don't bother to mention whether or not anyone has tried. That's like me saying I'm undefeated in international completion, which is true. The only thing is I've never actually been in an international competition.

    The biggest contradiction I see on the site has to do with the word "Humility". As previously mentioned it is displayed in big bold letters at the top of their main page. I am not of the belief that martial artists and/or fighters necessarily have to be humble. But don't say you value humility and then go on to say that your school is the only one qualified to provide self defense training, because no one else has beaten one of your guys in a challenge. They do say that. It's right on the main page in the "differences between TTJC and other Knoxville Area Karate schools". I guess they could "clarify" that statement by pointing out they said "Karate schools" and the BJJ/MMA schools in Knoxville aren't included.

    I also have a problem with them implying the instructors of other schools in the area are uneducated by stating:
    TTJC Master Instructors are college trained in the US or Korea. Many have obtained the PhD level of education. Other major area school owners have no degree above the high school level.
    What's humble about that?
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