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    Hwa Rang Do = Ninjutsu?

    This discussion took place on the Yahoo! Ninjutsu group. Entries appear in the order in which they were time-stamped in the group messages.


    From: tom peterson
    Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:37 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    did'nt say that hwarangdo sword style is similar i meant that hwarangdo is the korean form of ninjutsu


    From: "Cayce"
    Date: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:42 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    Hardly.

    Ninjutsu is ninjutsu. HRD is HRD. Ninjutsu is Japanese. HRD is
    Korean. Ninjutsu is nothing like HRD, save that they are both martial
    arts. HRD is nothing like ninjutsu, save that they are both martial
    arts.

    Neither the ancient hwarang warriors, nor the sulsa, nor modern HRD
    practitioners study a Korean "form of" ninjutsu, because there is no
    Korean (nor Spanish, nor Ecuadorian, nor Icelandic, nor American, nor
    Chinese, etc.) "form of" ninjutsu. That would be about as accurate
    as "Wild West Samurai". Other martial arts have their own merits, but
    they are most assuredly not ninjutsu. Some may be complimented by the
    comparison, while others . . .


    From: tom peterson
    Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:36 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    whether you know it or not hwarangdo is the korean form of ninjutsu. all people at war had their own forms of spy's & spec ops . thats all ninjutsu etc. really is


    From: Jye nigma
    Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:27 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    There's only one problem with that...hwarangdo as the martial art wasn't korean ninjutsu, nor was it even the actual art the Hwarang used. Hwarangdo is a martial art created in modern times. The hwarang were similar to samaurai, not ninja.


    From: "Cayce"
    Date: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:59 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    That is as ridiculous as saying that native American tribes were all
    the same, or that all forms of music are the same, or all religions
    are the same.

    It amazes me that, with so much information available via books, dvds
    and videos, seminars, the internet and formal dojo, a great many
    people still have such ill-informed and ridiculous views about
    ninjutsu (or anything else for that matter).

    No, HRD is not the Korean form of ninjutsu. As Jye pointed out, HRD
    is a modern development by the Lee brothers. The ancient Hwarang
    warriors were more like samurai or the medieval English knight than
    the ninja. Do your research before making a statement like that,
    especially on a forum dedicated to ninjutsu. That kind of statement
    will only make you look foolish to those who are better informed.


    From: tom peterson
    Date: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:41 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    guess you never read the writings of micheal d echanis , or heard of chuck sanders , joo bang lee , joo sang lee or plenty of others that know i suggest you look up counterparts to ninjutsu. you might find out something if your willing to learn & clean out your ears. i don't do sports art's i do combatives only. take care , tom

    [edit: He claims to study only combative, yet he is defending hrd, which is a modern martial sport. Why do I call it a martial sport? Because it has kata and sparring in its curriculum, both of which have sporting applications.]


    From: Joe Cool
    Date: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:54 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    Ninjutsu is NOT all about spies and special ops and like posted previously if you bothered to take a look in to the history of hwarangdo, which I did via google, it seemed that the martial art was more in tune with the Samurai class of feudal Japan than Ninjutsu.

    But you have your mind clearly made up so enjoy you day!

    From: tom peterson
    Date: Mon May 1, 2006 9:51 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    well number one if you never been there you have no room to talk . what can i say except btdt . later

    [edit: This is one of the stupidest arguments anyone can make when discussing martial arts - “you haven’t been there, so you don’t know”. Even if someone has traveled to a foreign country, a stamped passport is not proof of authoritative knowledge on a subject. If travel to an art’s country of origin is a requirement for proficiency, there are a lot of martial arts practitioners who will never be “authentic”.]


    From: tom peterson
    Date: Mon May 1, 2006 9:52 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    there again you have'nt been in depth . Later

    [edit: There is no indication to whom, or to what, he is referring to here.]


    From: Jye nigma
    Date: Mon May 1, 2006 11:53 pm
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    What in the world are you talking about. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Do you even study hwarangdo, or have you? if so who is your instructor?

    [edit: Peterson never replied to this.]


    From: Jye nigma
    Date: Tue May 2, 2006 12:05 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    That's what I was trying to tell that guy. He's obviously relying on too much internet data than any real life knowledge. I'm a Korean arts practitioner and that's how I know the difference. One reason is because I know of a korean sword style I learned. hwarangdo sword style is more similar to chinese sword styles.


    From: Jye nigma
    Date: Tue May 2, 2006 12:10 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    I would suggest you look into the very FIRST introduction of ninjutsu to AMERICA and THEN look at the FIRST book on hwarangdo written in korean by Joo Bang Lee...lol. Then while you're in research mode, look at kuk sool won and hwarangdo....and compare the similarities. Now I'm not saying hwarngdo isn't a good martial art, but it's not what you seem to think it is. First of all sulsa are the skills of hwarangdo which are not just taught as the regular hwarangdo curriculum...so there goes that theory.


    From: Jye nigma
    Date: Tue May 2, 2006 1:43 am
    Subject: Re: Ninjutsu video clips: Korean Sword styles

    lol...wild west samurai...lol. Hey did you see how this tom person back peddled? he started out saying hwarangdo sword style is similar to ninjutsu, now he's saying he didn't say that.

    The moderator of the forum chose not to approve any of my other replies to peterson’s ridiculous statements. Can't imagine why.
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    Hwa Rang Do has nothing to do with Japanese Iga/Koga Ryu(s) nor the Ninjutsu(s) found throughout Japan.

    Korean National **** again. FIND ME A NON-KOREAN SOURCE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by imarubber

    Neither the ancient hwarang warriors, nor the sulsa, nor modern HRD
    practitioners study a Korean "form of" ninjutsu, because there is no
    Korean (nor Spanish, nor Ecuadorian, nor Icelandic, nor American, nor
    Chinese, etc.) "form of" ninjutsu.
    Vega pwns joo.
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    Isn't HRD just WTF-style TKD sparring with that Karate Connection-esque one-step sparring....?
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    It's a little known fact that Hwarang Do is Korean for, "No, our national sport didn't come from Japan!"
    sudo make me a sandwich!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaChinkOfSteel
    Isn't HRD just WTF-style TKD sparring with that Karate Connection-esque one-step sparring....?

    I think they're just "bad ass" hapkido guys. The founder has inherited the art that has been secretly passed down through the centuries. All in all hapkido. I don't think there sparring has that much conntact in it. Gay
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    HWD- also has a creepy cult vibe, at least that's how they came off at UCLA, when they had a club there. the Korean kids in the TKD club weren't to fond of them. Cute jump kick combo's though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pl4zM4
    Hwa Rang Do has nothing to do with Japanese Iga/Koga Ryu(s) nor the Ninjutsu(s) found throughout Japan.

    Korean National **** again. FIND ME A NON-KOREAN SOURCE!
    me :gaygay: im from america and i say that korean arts were established thousands of years ago. :gaygay:
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyDaHedgehog
    It's a little known fact that Hwarang Do is Korean for, "No, our national sport didn't come from Japan!"
    Hmm...I always thought it meant "Fight like that guy in Tekken."
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