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  1. BaguaZhang is offline

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    sad clips. sweeps only worked cuz the other guy sucked too.
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    the double leg takedown(scissor take down?) was kinda neat. it was like the takedown someone showed at the boston mcthrowdown...to bad he didn't lockup the guys heel like at the throwdown though.

    i love the video feeds on this forum! the more i learn, the more these "demo" clips (which used to impress me) make me see how outright lame some MA are.

    quick question...why exactly, in training, do most TMAs assume the fight is over after a takedown? seriously...is it because TMA were meant for self-defense more and you were meant to run away after your opponent fell? now it just boggles my mind that the training stops there. just wondering.
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    Meh, pretty crap but I've seen worse (live, sorry no clips).
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    Originally posted by Goku
    the double leg takedown(scissor take down?) was kinda neat. it was like the takedown someone showed at the boston mcthrowdown...to bad he didn't lockup the guys heel like at the throwdown though.
    Wasn't that J-Lau's legendary flying heelhook submission at the Boston throwdown? I want to learn that one.
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    Originally posted by Goku

    quick question...why exactly, in training, do most TMAs assume the fight is over after a takedown? seriously...is it because TMA were meant for self-defense more and you were meant to run away after your opponent fell? now it just boggles my mind that the training stops there. just wondering.
    That's a very interesting question. If you didn't care about beating a guy up, just about ending a fight, then why not run away?
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    Originally posted by Goku

    quick question...why exactly, in training, do most TMAs assume the fight is over after a takedown? seriously...is it because TMA were meant for self-defense more and you were meant to run away after your opponent fell? now it just boggles my mind that the training stops there. just wondering.
    In addition to what grond wrote, once they're on the ground you can draw a weapon. When lot of the TMAs were created it was more common for people to have some kind of weapon on them. Also, submissions aren't a great idea when there are multiple opponents to deal with.
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    i would agree that you should leave if you can(who cares if you give the guy a black eye anyways), but what if you're taken down? i guess my real question is why don't TMAs train groundwork? was it more an "honour" thing back-in-the-day? the "don't kick 'em while they're down?"

    it just seems groundwork would be an obvious thing to train yet TMAs don't...that i know of.

    zing-didn't see that post before posting. the weapon makes sense though.
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    Originally posted by Goku
    it just seems groundwork would be an obvious thing to train yet TMAs don't...that i know of.
    most TMAs in the last 50 years have not had much emphasis on groundwork, but in japanese TMA, judo and JJJ all have a lot of ground work (although as of late people have been spending less time training them.)

    in chinese TMA many of the styles incorperated "dog boxing" which includes a good deal of ground work.

    thanks to the MMA revolution, many people are re-examining the existing ground work in their styles and (hopefully) going and sparring BJJ people to test their techniques.
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