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  1. PicToMan is offline

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    Posted On:
    10/08/2004 1:58pm


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    Going to CMA school in Van tonight, What to look for?

    A little info about the school and instructor:

    -It's tought by Liang Shouyu in a Japanese Buddhist Church in Vancouver.
    -I called him, he said to come down tonight and try out a class.
    -He says he teaches Wushu and Sanshou (any info on these guys? - specifically Sanshou?)



    What should I be looking for? What questions should I ask? etc...

    I assume whether they have full contact sparring should be a question?
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    Posted On:
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    Yeah, ask about sparring. Ask about cross-training and going to the ground. Just take the class with an open mind, mostly, and see what you're first impression is. If you start getting the willies, that's your gut telling you that the Bullshido has started.
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    Posted On:
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    Here's some information on Sanshou:

    http://www.sanshou.com/article-sanshou.html

    http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/whatis.html

    http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/sanshou.htm

    Wushu should help you out with flexibility, stamina and coordination to supplement your San Shou.


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    10/08/2004 7:22pm


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    Thanks for the responses.....I'll give the details tonight of more likely in the next few days (I've been sleeping early nowadays and saturday is a write off...I'm busy)
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    Posted On:
    10/08/2004 7:52pm


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    Sanshou = Gain good fighting skills
    Wushu = Gain good control over body, as well as doing flashy ass moves that'll get you laid.

    Sanshou + Wushu = Good fighter who gets laid frequently

    The above combination is not the only way to get laid frequently.
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    HAHAHAHA, GOOD ANALYSIS DEJAVU!

    PicToMan, let us know how it turns out. I myself look forward to hearing more details about this school.
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    10/09/2004 7:14pm


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    Here's is what Djimbe (I'm almost positive he's a member here) had to say about Liang Shouyu on another board:



    Liang Shouyu is a MONSTER . He teaches Sparring , and his Students (and STUDENTS STUDENTS !) do VERY VERY VERY well in Full Contact Matches . They Specialise in BRUTAl slams and takedowns . If I were you I would suck every piece of Information out that this mans Mind has to Offer you !

    Wu means "Martial"

    Shu means "Skillset"

    Wushu basically means "Martial Arts" , and he says it this way because hes FROM China , and this is the way that he THINKS it . When Liang Sifu says "Wushu" he means FIGHTING . There are many places where "Wushu" will equate to nothing but acrobatics , but niot here .

    You don't have to ask this guy anything . If he takes you , feel lucky that you are in the hands of one of the Finest Coaches in North America , and one of the WORLDS most respewcted authorities on the Fighting Arts . His Takedowns book (one of many books that hes Published) is actually taught from by many MMA Gyms , as well as CMA schools . Hes the best in Vancouver . Hower hes doing it , its the correct way , because at the Tournamentrs , I have video of his students CRUSHING ALL COMERS in Full Contact competition . And many of the people that Compete are really TKD , Shotokan , Kyokushin , and Muay Thai in Origin .

    Liang Shouyu teaches ICMA . He actually wrote the BOOKS (Literally whats referred to as the "Blue Bible" in Baguazhang circles) on Throwing , Locking , Baguazhang , and Xingyiquan . Everything that Brooks said about my teacher is the same for him . His skills are not only Tangeable , but they transfer on to his Students - and THEIR students - as well .

    Discouraging this young man from seeing this teacher would truly be to rob him of the best that he could fine anywhere near him .

    And he may just NOT spar from day one , you know . but Ive still seen his kids beat Muay Thai , and Boxing .
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    10/09/2004 7:38pm


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    The website for the school is: www.shouyuliang.com

    Basic details/pricing/etc:
    -He told me there are 2 classes per week (Friday from 7:00-9:00 and Saturday from 4:00-6:00) Fridays is WuShu only, Saturdays is Wushu and Sanshou (I believe one hour of each)
    -It costs $80/month to attend one class/week or $85 for 2/week (might as well do 2) - On the site, the details seem slightly different from what he told me however...though I've only had time to quickly glance through it.
    -They have sparring on Saturdays (full contact), there is both striking and grappling work involved, and cross training in other martial arts is welcomed. I like what he said when I asked him about full contact sparring: "What else could it be? Light Contact? That's useless unless your playing around with friends."
    -There is no fee for testing - there is a fee for belts, but he reccomends against it because he says belts are useless

    One thing I'm not so keen on is the area it's in... It's in a real slummy area of town with all sorts of crime :( So I'd be worried about my safety as well as my car's safety! It could be vanadalized or even worse, jakked!



    Anyway...onto the actual experience...

    As I stated above, Fridays was only WuShu....so that's what I ended up trying. It seemed decent enough, lacked a little practicallity if you ask me, but perhaps the SanShou would make up for that. It would definately help with flexibility and dexterity.

    I told him of my interest in the Sanshou and sparring, so he invited me to come back once more on a Saturday to try that class before I make a decision. (I'll be going next Saturday Oct 16th)

    One thing I can say is it's definately no Mcdojo!

    Unfortunately, he does not teach at all. The high ranked students teach the classes. When I asked him if he teaches at all, he said, "I only teach you when you become a national champion."

    I'm looking forward to next Saturday to see if I really want to pursue this (though it could conflict with my work schedule - I DJ Friday and Saturday nights, but only during busy seasons)

    I'm definately gonna keep this school in consideration.
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    Posted On:
    10/09/2004 7:39pm

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    I have been told there is good CMA in Vancouver, this might be it.

    In case you have not sought information from Chinese teachers, a dose of humility will get you a long way. It's called "empty ricebowl". Ask questions with genuine interest inflected and do not "challenge" him. Listen to what he says.

    Some things I would ask, aside from what the others had already stated:

    What kind of strength training and power development exercises do you teach?
    Do you teach any herbally assisted training?

    Then, if you are allowed to get in a class, scope out the place for the best looking (in terms of skill) student. Latch on to him or her and ask questions to feel out the school.
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    Posted On:
    10/09/2004 7:46pm

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    Originally posted by PicToMan
    The website for the school is: www.shouyuliang.com

    Not impressed.
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